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    It seems to me the BBC are biased towards Boris Johnson in that on the News Channel this morning ran the caption, ‘Boris Johnson breaks his silence,’ a tone if you will they haven’t taken with other candidates.  A form of words it maybe but to me it implied that it was something that’s been waited for.

    He has previously said he will withhold millions of pounds of severance payment from the EU.  This ploy (ill thought out I suggest) is to get an enhanced deal.  Therefore, this man is probably seeking to play ‘the blinking game,’ however in doing so expats are likely to be  caught in the crossfire.  The exchange rate will be affected and, our healthcare will be threatened.  We will be pawns!

    There are many suitable places in this world for people who call a spade a shovel but, 10 Downing Street isn’t one of them.

    Perhaps the acid test is, would you buy a second-hand car from Boris.  Umm, I wouldn’t.

     

     

     

     

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    I was watching Sky News just now, where Dermott was speaking to Beth about her Q&A session with Boris.  She fairly tore into Boris and afterwards, on Sky, she only relented slightly. However, when it came to talking about Sajid, her eyes were set in the angelic upward tilt mode.  The favouritism shown by these news channels is not a side of their character which I like.

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    I’ve noticed that Boris Johnson has combed his hair :yahoo:

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    Nor would I, Steve…

    It seems that his campaign team are keeping him on a tight rein and practically out of sight as far as the media is concerned to prevent any Boris like gaffes (or as Boris calls it, ‘plain speaking’) to scupper his chances.

    Says it all really about his fitness to be PM.

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    BBC biased!!!

    It seems to me the BBC are biased towards Boris Johnson

    BBC are totally biased against anyone with any hint of Brexit Leave about them. I have sat with my mouth hanging open at the remarks that are orchestrated either beforehand or ‘through the earpiece’ of the chairperson on ‘Any Questions’, by the panel of ‘Have I got News for You’,  Even on ‘Pointless’ Richard has spoken out of turn (in my opinion) and don’t get me started on Graham Norton (who I used to be a big fan of up to about a year ago), with his inane, disgusting and offensive ‘jokes’ at the beginning of his show. I complained to BBC and to my amazement I received a reply! However, the tone of the reply did not surprise me, so I wrote back again. The final comment on their first reply was supposed to make me feel that all in the world is ‘love, sweetness and light.’  But it didn’t!

    We would like to assure you the content of each show is carefully considered at a senior level in line with our Editorial Guidelines, and we try to keep as balanced a take on the news as possible across a whole series.

    LOL :negative:   :wacko:   B-)

    Once I started to notice the bias, I became more attuned to it, to the extent that I don’t watch BBC or mainstream News anymore, other than to see what they are reporting, I go to Youtube – Latest – and compare what I see there on various stations, throw it all up in the air, along with BBC and try to figure out who is telling the truth.

     

     

     

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    I find it a myth perpetuated by the right wing. I can’t see that the BBC are biased. As an example, the other week on QT, the audience hooted, guffawed and clapped like wild hyenas along with Farage…Farage is always on at some stage. Quitened down now since yet another defeat for Farage (and his Brexit team) in Peterborugh to gain a place in Parliament. So how does Farage get so much viewing time if the BBC are supposedly biased? Other people on TV such as Ian and Paul are fully entitled to their views in HIGNFY, being rather intelligent they believe we should stay in the EU.

    I am totally fascinated by people that live in France, Spain etc that wish the UK to leave the EU but have said they will stay in the EU, what’s that about fgs? One couple told me that they voted to keep immigrants out, having no idea how much they bring in to the UK economy, believing immigrants come to the UK for the £35 or whatever it is and not to work. They themselves claim they are ex pats (note, not immigrants), as if that makes them different to immigrants in the UK. Oh the irony of it all……

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    So keep Boris quiet so that he can become PM and lead the nation into a general election straight after the October  fiasco ?

    I must say cheeki , that ” have I got news for you ” is one of the very few programmes on free British TV that we enjoy watching , there is not much humour left on TV , just a lot of war and crime , except for following the politics , which quite amuses us. :yes:

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    If you can point me in the direction of an honest politician then I might start to watch & listen – I do enjoy listening to Robert Peston (the wrong channel to that being discussed I know) although his pause teetering on the edge of the next word can be a bit annoying, he seems to make sense of things to me.

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    although his pause teetering on the edge of the next word can be a bit annoying

    Peston has a speech impediment which he has overcome using special breathing techniques – which explains the slightly broken delivery.

    Dom

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    Fruitcake: Honest Politician? I think that they are all just ‘humans’, do their best, avoid the truth it is doesn’t benefit them, twist things around, do good for people when they can – but basically, they are ‘career politicians’ with not a lot of experience of normal people, they (the CPs) have a different view. Go to YouTube and look at some of the videos of ‘street’ people…….

    DeBoer and Roger,  I agree with you on the enjoyment aspect of HIGNfY – I always enjoyed it until the panel started using the show as their ‘Orange Box Platform’ to spout their personal views.

    I find it a myth perpetuated by the right wing. I can’t see that the BBC are biased. As an example, the other week on QT, the audience hooted, guffawed and clapped like wild hyenas along with Farage…Farage is always on at some stage. Quitened down now since yet another defeat for Farage (and his Brexit team) in Peterborugh to gain a place in Parliament. So how does Farage get so much viewing time if the BBC are supposedly biased? Other people on TV such as Ian and Paul are fully entitled to their views in HIGNFY, being rather intelligent they believe we should stay in the EU.

    I also find it fascinating that as soon as one ‘says it as it is’ they are called ‘FAR right’, most are only a little right of centre.  Rather than describing Farage as getting support from the audience, it is described as “the audience hooted, guffawed and clapped like wild hyenas” – It seems that the ‘Far LEFT’ don’t like it very much when they see others disagreeing with their views. ‘They’ have to be derogatory and call them ‘uneducated’  and the other string of adjectives that we hear pouring out one after another like a learned children’s Nursery Rhyme. Farage is not on QT very often and actually had to negotiate strongly for his place to get onto that particular QT show. BBC don’t want people on who speak the truth and who have a strong following, but when they can’t avoid it, they try like the Left, to belittle them and drag out any little bit of dirt that they can find in many years gone by – as was the experience on the Andrew Marr Show. LOL  No matter how far one buries one’s head in the sand there is no mistaking the humongous victories the Brexit Party enjoyed over the past month. Hopefully, the Brexit Party will get the country back on the rails again.

    We have Democrat friends in the States who regularly over dinner would degrade non-Democrats saying that anyone who watched FOX News was uneducated, the eyebrows of several at the table could be seen to rise.  Many profess those who don’t agree with them to be unintelligent even with backhanded remarks like:-

    “Ian and Paul are fully entitled to their views in HIGNFY, being rather intelligent they believe we should stay in the EU ”  I am mystified as to what Ian and Paul have done to reached such dizzy heights of intelligence!

    Anyway, as I heard a war veteran say – when flying over a target in the dark they knew they right on the target when they started taking the flak. Of course, that can go both ways 🤓

    The question here was about Boris – we will soon be closer to the answer of who will be the next leader of the Conservative party. From what I hear, read, and see Boris is said to be a ‘highly intelligent’ man, he has a different way of reflecting himself, I have never met him but I feel he would do a better job than any of the other candidates (bar one 😉).  Opinions and decisions seem to be formed on what people look and act like, deformities are criticised and joked about (not very nice and a bit childish), or how they dress, compared to what is the expected ‘Model’ of the position. What an outstanding man was Stephen Hawking!  Thinking of some of the PMs of the past who were voted in for their ‘smarts’ … leading the list Tony Blair – OMG :wacko:

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    I am sure most ordinary people don’t need the BBC or anyone else to sum up boris the clown. How can anyone ever take him seriously?

    He is the epitome of a rich, upperclass, bumbling idiot. Educated at all the best schools because of wealth not ability and a politician with no practical experience in anything, no tact, no negociating skills, no common sense and no leadership skills. I really can’t believe that even any of the rest of the tory fools could ever seriously consider this pratt as prime minister material. Talk about scraping the barrel, this one has no bottom to it. On the other hand if the tories want to commit political suicide, I can think of nothing that would give me more pleasure than to watch them succeed or is more deserved. :yes:

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    JP,

    Stop messing around, say what you think.  B-)

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    FGS ~Cheekiweeki Farage has been on a record 33 times or so, beating even Ken Clarke!!
    Do get your facts right before putting it in text, as for the rest, toooo long to bother with to read too much into it, sorry but I know I wouldn’t have agreed. :whistle:

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    What is the reason for the collapse of democratic choice?

    What is the source of our growing disillusionment with politics?

    It’s the great unmentionable.

    The media won’t dare mention it.

    It is deafingly absent from parliamentary debates.

    Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what it is?

    I’ll give you a clue, as of 2016 147 40%

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    The 147 companies that control 40% of the worlds wealth (and most governments I expect).

    Just growing inequality in general too…

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    :yes: :yes: :yes:

    Yes.

    The rise of the Corporatocracy.

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    FGS ~Cheekiweeki Farage has been on a record 33 times or so, beating even Ken Clarke!! Do get your facts right before puttin it in text, as for the rest, toooo long to bother with to read too much into it, sorry but I know I wouldn’t have agreed.

    No probs Rog – no more than I would have expected – I did say that Farage wasn’t on QT that often, I didn’t mention numbers, however, over the past number of years that QT has been going I wouldn’t have thought 33 times as that many LOL :whistle:

    Talking of getting things right on here – one needs to watch one’s spelling – LOL :whistle: (Maybe your mind was on the  Russian topic of the day) :scratch:

    Thank goodness for those who think outside the box, who come up with bright and different views,  you are obviously of the blinkered ilk, set in your ways and thoughts and that’s fine, everyone is different. :rose:

     

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    although his pause teetering on the edge of the next word can be a bit annoying

    Peston has a speech impediment which he has overcome using special breathing techniques – which explains the slightly broken delivery. Dom

    He used to be a lot worse and it was getting even worse until in 2015 BBC sent him on a course to iron out his “speech eccentricities” after listeners complained about the way he sounded. I recall well just how bad he was in speaking and now although better, it is an exaggerated difference to his speech before. He is a very clever man.

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    JP, Stop messing around, say what you think. B-)

    If you don’t say what you think there isn’t a lot of point in saying anything at all   :mail:

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    Cheekiweeki wrote ‘Thank goodness for those who think outside the box, who come up with bright and different views, you are obviously of the blinkered ilk, set in your ways and thoughts and that’s fine, everyone is different. :rose:’

    Would it be right to guess that these ‘bright and different views’ just happen to be those you agree with?

    I tend to think that about the views I agree with too. It’s all rather subjective.

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    “Educated at all the best schools because of wealth not ability”

    Much as it pains me to defend BJ in any way, you don’t get to go to Eton or Oxford unless you’re pretty damn bright and Boris went to both on scholarships.

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    FGS ~Cheekiweeki Farage has been on a record 33 times or so, beating even Ken Clarke!! Do get your facts right before puttin it in text, as for the rest, toooo long to bother with to read too much into it, sorry but I know I wouldn’t have agreed.

    No probs Rog – no more than I would have expected – I did say that Farage wasn’t on QT that often, I didn’t mention numbers, however, over the past number of years that QT has been going I wouldn’t have thought 33 times as that many LOL :whistle: Talking of getting things right on here – one needs to watch one’s spelling – LOL :whistle: (Maybe your mind was on the Russian topic of the day) :scratch: Thank goodness for those who think outside the box, who come up with bright and different views, you are obviously of the blinkered ilk, set in your ways and thoughts and that’s fine, everyone is different. :rose:

    Oh dear, if you do not agree with Cheekiweeki’s views, you can expect a diatribe of the most ridiculous kind. We have yet another person that personally wishes to stay and live within the EU but wants the UK to leave. Maybe someone can explain that to me in terms please that I can understand, as many people living here and in Spain before have just bluffed an excuse that made no sense?

    I am afraid the record of Farage on QT is far too much (and pretty often which you said it wasn’t) as a non MP and just a chancer, in which the BBC may as well have stuck a London Cabby on as many times. You think the Brexit party have done well? The Peterborough by-election, where they were 8-1 on favourites to win the seat, instead they lost it handsomely. You seem to not understand the ethos of UKIP and  Brexit as protest votes. It is a very similar situation to the NF in France.

    Once Brexit has occurred (if ever) what do you think Farage will do afterwards? He can’t go back to UKIP, his Brexit party, who as far as I now, have still not produced their policies which Farage said would be printed after the Euro elections, will not have  a cause to fight, so to my mind we will see him at one point either changing the name from Brexit to something else. The man is a chancer thay preys on people’s fear, nothing more. Who pockets the money from the people he has asked to donate and become a member of the Brexit party? It is not as it stands a political party that can be thought of as good enough to see just one person from the party enter Parliament.

    I’m glad you mentioned spelling as that is the last thing a person with no answers resorts to, although I couldn’t see an error, I’m sure you are right

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    Roger, may be the expats that voted for Brexit simply like where they live in the fact that they enjoy their surroundings, some the peaceful countryside, some the buzz of larger towns, some the food, the culture and of course it’s often because of cheaper property that they can.  If a referendum were to take place in France regarding staying in the EU, or not, presumably they’d vote out.

    If France did have  a referendum and the outcome was in favour to leave the EU, would you leave France?

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    Quite a bizarre thing to say, firstly it is a hypothetical question as I don’t think it will ever happen and secondly I raised kids here so we would have to speak about it but as I said it’s a hypothetical question.

    I’m afraid I don’t go with your reasons why people would stay in an EU country whilst having very strong views and beliefs about Brexit. I have heard some, if not all of them before, nothing more boring than people droning on about why they live in an EU country whilst giving similar reasons for staying (not you of course but others)

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    I didn’t realise that Robert Peston had a speech impediment, all credit to him for working through it. Even with the pause mid-sentence I still like to listen to him as what he says makes sense, as RW says he is a clever man.

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    Roger, you are fond of the word’ bizarre’. Yes, it is a hypothetical question, but I wouldn’t think a bizarre one, especially if you have strong political views. Haven’t you ever discussed what you’d do if you won a few million on the lottery? another hypothetical question, I suppose we’re all different when it comes to what we discuss with the other half.

    The expats that have voted out obviously moved to France, Spain etc as the UK is an EU member and that made it easier in the fact that health costs for retirees were picked up by the UK, cheaper housing, better health service amongst other things,  it also offers younger ( non French) people better opportunities work wise, but that doesn’t mean to say they agree with what all the EU stands for. We moved back without a thought about a referendum being held and it wouldn’t have changed our minds about that move regardless of the outcome, even though we voted to stay in. I respect expats that voted out, their decision for that was obviously because they thought it would be better for the UK, not based on whether their health benefits, tax benefits and so on would be affected.

    You say you raised your family in France, so I take it that would be a consideration and possibly a reason to stay, even if France pulled out, may be expats that voted out have similar things to consider. :unsure:

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    I just hope that in the televised debate the question will be asked, ‘When was the last time the UK paid EU at the rate of £350 million per week?’  I further hope for a straight answer.

    The fact that the court case against Boris was thrown out should not be taken that the £350 million was correct.  It wasn’t!   The dismissal of the case indicated that telling lies in public office does not amount to misconduct in public office.  (Shome mistake!)  Had the case been proven, it would’ve been reasonable to suggest that all the other Leave Campaign MPs who rode the bus, stood in front of the signage etc would have also been culpable.  Imagine the political carnage!

    Of course it’s down to personal opinion however but, I just do not understand the level of support he is wallowing in.  At the risk of becoming a soothsayer, if he becomes PM it will not end well!

    All that said, I originally thought Esther McVey was a good bet but, then I saw her trying to be awkward in TV interviews and I thought, ‘Nah.’

     

     

     

     

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    tigre, if you had lived in France for as long as I have, you would use the word bizarre often enough. I hear it nearly every single day from French friends and on my travels, it’s a word that has hardly any other word to use. So sorry that I use it so often.
    Wondering what one would do with a million pounds is just a dream people talk about and not in the same street as your question of what we/I would do if France left the EU. My family apart from my Daughter are no longer here in France preferring to finish their Edu in the UK, a common route taken by many British kids at the end or just before last year at college.  I know far more that have no kids in France, or Spain (especially Spain where I have found it is almost all couples where kids long flew the nest. I don’t if you have seen programmes recently on Brits in Spain and talking about the EU and Brexit, it is laughable just how many are heard to say how Brexit is needed to make Britain great again and too many immigrants, completely ignoring the irony in their words. Bizarre is it not!

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    No, Roger, I haven’t seen the tv programs you mention, so can’t really comment, I don’t know how many expats are living in Spain, quite a lot I imagine compared to how many have been in these programs, so may be it’s not a true account of how the majority feel.

    As for the word ” bizarre”, I don’t have a problem with you using it, just don’t think it’s always appropriate, just my opinion.

     

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    Got it now.  Bizarre Johnson for PM but, somewhere else! :yes:

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