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    AndrewJ
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    Hi folks,

    Can all the ‘naysayers’ stop being selfish for a moment  and accept that the UK leaving the UK might just be a GOOD thing?

    You are all ‘whinging’ about ‘poor you’ but if you live here and pay your taxes here you have nothing to fear, it’s just like living in any other ‘foreign country’. You are Expats, not ‘citizens’ and you have to meet and abide by the rules of your CHOSEN ‘host country”!

    Or did I miss something? Do/did you expect the fact that you are ‘British’ give you some inalienable rights?

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    By the way, I’m a Brit married to a wonderful French wife.

    All I mean/meant was wouldn’t it be GREAT if the UK applied the SAME rules of Residency
    as we are being asked to abide by/show/prove here in France?

    What’s wrong with that?

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    AndrewJ wrote;

    You are Expats, not ‘citizens’ and you have to meet and abide by the rules of your CHOSEN ‘host country”!

    I wasn’t aware that any of us had questioned that fact Andrew J, I think it must be I that has missed something?

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    All I mean/meant was wouldn’t it be GREAT if the UK applied the SAME rules of Residency as we are being asked to abide by/show/prove here in France?

    You don’t need brexit for that :unsure:

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    Yes, it would be a good idea if the UK did that, we had to do it when we came here and said at the time what a brilliant idea it was and that it was a pity the UK didn’t do it.

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    OH dear Andrew…

    i think I,m too tired to answer…but I,m sure others will reply.

    congratulations on your French wife…it will help you no doubt.

    fruitcake is quite right…we weren’t asked…

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    Sorry Fruitcake. I meant no offence to anyone, and for sure not you.

    I was commenting on the general theme of ‘we have been forgotten by Brexit”

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    Sorry Andrew still not quite sure what discussion you’re referring to, can you enlighten me? – I’m honestly not being deliberately obtuse, perhaps being a bit dense  :unsure:

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    I have no idea in reality as to how the answer to your first question will end up, but wish the UK every measure of success for  the future.
    As regards the rest.
    Are we ‘all’ whinging?
    And by the way, I am the same as you. Have been for the best part of a quarter of a century.
    And prior to being here, I was an expat another country for well over a decade and have always abided by the rules of that country and this.
    Never thought being British gave me any inalienable rights whatsoever, human rights perhaps.

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    I’d be more concerned about the UK leaving the UK – how does that work?!

     

    Can all the ‘naysayers’ stop being selfish for a moment  and accept that the UK leaving the UK might just be a GOOD thing?”

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    Brexit is good for no one …a much better title.

    apparently Andrew ..with his lovely French wife really doesn’t have any thought for the rest of us.

    those of us…fully paid up in the uk…who came to France because it was Europe and we were also Europeans ..were entitled to be here.

    European citizens….you missed that bit.

    we also pay taxes in France…but now need to get a carte de sejour..

    we had no vote…if all the uk citizens who live  in Europe had a vote about something so fundamental then I am sure the result would have been different.

    so forgive the whinging …your words ..not mine…it’s not fair!nor do I think it’s the right decision for the uk.

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    Brexit may be ‘good’ for the majority who voted to leave ?

    To say Brexit is good for no one is rather shallow imo. The majority voted to leave !!

    I’m a remainer too but we lost the vote, get over it !!

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    Marmite
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    Sorry pj …if there was a clear way forward for Brexit..I would agree..the country,parliament are split…

    If mrs may gets her way then I think we can all move forward…if it’s no deal we,re all stuffed…including the Irish …who will end up with a hard border.

    i,ve actually always said that I accept the referendum….it’s what’s happening now I can’t swallow.

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    Me too but what can we do about the people who were elected making a complete horlicks of the situation ?

    It’s frustrating but I believe a deal will be done…

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    Can’t help but say that I do agree with several points made by Marmite there.

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    Remember Mad Mays deal only runs until the end of the transition period and if she could not sort the matter out properly in the period since 2016 then what chance has she got before Dec 2020.

    All that will happen everything will be in suspension until whenever and could be for  indefinite time.

    I wish the “little Englanders” would leave and on the terms of the vote.

    They voted without any idea of what was involved and as the lady in Boston and the people in Sunderland said, I voted leave and thought we would be out within 2 to 3 weeks.

    So intelligent!

    No I can see nee no reason to accept what the uneducated masses voted for and will do all in my power to stop Brex***t

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    Democracy does not mean  education..it means one man one vote.

    If there had to be an intelligence test in order to vote..maybe we should include personalities,colour of eyes…you name it.

    It is up to the opposing sides in any vote to put forward their arguments…or credible lies.

     

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    I’ve noticed Brexit supporters are very good at coming out with slogan type phrases without any reasoned thinking to back them up. ‘Brexit is GOOD’ being yet another example. No explanation as to why it will be good….

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    I,m not sure either jazzy…no immigration….no…

    less interferance from Brussels…good luck with that if we stay in the single market.

    all that money that will be poured into the nhs…oh no they have already admitted that wasn’t true.

    meanwhile we…the European citizens now find ourselves not European .citizens…but according to Andrew….expats.

    ok ,we left the uk…an adventure we told ourselves…I don’t plan to marry a Frenchman…presumably the simplest solution.

     

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    And a bit of “nuance” between the tittle “Brexit IS good” and the content “leaving the UK might just be a GOOD thing”

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    No doubt all will be revealed sometime in the future as to what was good and what was bad about the whole sorry mess!

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    Found this on a link off ‘The Slog’ blog.

    It puts many things in perspective, so please find the time to listen even to a bit of it.

    The ‘Offgardian’ blog is also a good read.

    Personally I feel that if the UK government had got on with Brexit in 2016, we’d all be in a much better situation now. Unfortunately the majority of the HoC still want to be in the EU club hence the prevaricating, which has given way to massive speculation and scaremongering.

    The whole of the European union is in a dreadful financial state, borrowed up to the hilt and so controlled by the ECB.

    Another good alternative news reporter is Ian R Crane who does podcasts a couple of times a week from the UK.

    I’ll leave you with this: ‘Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.’

     

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    Littlewennet…there was never a question of simply packing up our bags and leaving…any marriage of 40 years requires negotiations to end.

    main problem is almost half of the uk and at least half of members of parliament don’t want to leave..complete regions…Scotland for example do not want to leave…

    it was never going to be easy….and still isn’t.

    thats without taking party politics into account…large areas of socialists voted clearly to leave..London clearly stay…

    Who ever had led the country at this time would find themselves mired in conflict.

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    Hi, it still comes down to the Irish border issue. The politicians and their advisors should have thought about that at the beginning. That they didn’t is incompetence of the highest order. Therefore I don’t trust any of them to do anything right ever again.

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    Although I could not vote( fair enough 15 yr rule) I know there are plenty who do pay Uk taxes who should have the right to vote .However I watched all the debates 2.5 yrs ago and genuinely do not recall one mention of the Irish border ,I am willing to be corrected on this .As for. immigration rules the Uk gov could have put something in place years ago but chose not to .

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    Looking into my crystal ball as Gypsy Rose Pete I see a day in the future when a political party will suggest to the country as part of it’s election campaign, that a referendum be held to apply to rejoin the  EU.

     

     

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    Marion wrote;

    As for immigration rules the Uk gov could have put something in place years ago but chose not to.

    I have said this on numerous occasions Marion

    Nothing would surprise me Pete!

    There is an awful lot that the politicians should have thought about at the beginning and still should PR, incompetent is putting it mildly!

     

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    Jazzy, if you would like to listen to the podcast I posted you will hear a discussion giving many reasons why Brexit could be very good for the UK.

    As to staying in the EU, after 2020 all EU members will be bound by the Lisbon treaty to adopt the euro. See the Telegraph yesterday- political union in the eurozone is an economic existential necessity, not a re-negociable ambition. This applies to the UK as well.

    The Euro has been a disaster for most of the countries of the EU, reasons given in the podcast.

    We witnessed the immediate effect of the changeover when we lived in Portugal. The cost of gas and fuel rose significantly almost overnight, and the cost of living went from being very reasonable, to pretty well parity with more affluent EU countries. This has caused incredible hardship to ordinary people, not only in Portugal but in other countries like Greece, Italy,Spain, Ireland.

    This is why the ordinary people in the UK, France, Italy, Spain and Greece, do not want to be ruled by faceless beaurocrats in Brussels, and want to regain independance and sovereignty.

     

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    Jazzy, if you would like to listen to the podcast I posted you will hear a discussion giving many reasons why Brexit could be very good for the UK. As to staying in the EU, after 2020 all EU members will be bound by the Lisbon treaty to adopt the euro. See the Telegraph yesterday- political union in the eurozone is an economic existential necessity, not a re-negociable ambition. This applies to the UK as well. The Euro has been a disaster for most of the countries of the EU, reasons given in the podcast. We witnessed the immediate effect of the changeover when we lived in Portugal. The cost of gas and fuel rose significantly almost overnight, and the cost of living went from being very reasonable, to pretty well parity with more affluent EU countries. This has caused incredible hardship to ordinary people, not only in Portugal but in other countries like Greece, Italy,Spain, Ireland. This is why the ordinary people in the UK, France, Italy, Spain and Greece, do not want to be ruled by faceless beaurocrats in Brussels, and want to regain independance and sovereignty.

    And instead be ruled by faceless bureaucrats in Westminster,Paris,Rome,Madrid and Athens ?

     

     

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    This talk of loss of sovereignty has been debunked several times and is a myth created by the leave party. Quoting a right wing video and the Daily Telegraph shows the views on the right. So remainers are not ordinary people but the leave party such as the likes of Lord Rees Mogg, bonkers Boris, Gove and Davies are ordinary people, yeah right, far from it. As for the ordinary people of France wanting to leave, sorry that is just wrong, that being the case, why can’t any of the Le Pen ever win an election!! I spend time on Spain, they don’t want to leave, well unless you a Catalan and some even want out of Spain.

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