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    Someone famous once said  “The best use of imagination is creativity. The worst use of imagination is anxiety.” ~ Deepak Chopra

    Lets all be creative and not anxious :-) :-)

     

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    He also tweeted to Brian Cox  ” I will shove my cosmic consciousness up your **se ”  when he was faced with facts . But what either thing has to do with Brexit , I am not sure . :-) :-)

    I thought it was amusing , I don’t mean anything by it ! :rose:

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    I’ve never heard it called a ‘cosmic consciousness’ before, but it works.

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    To put a few facts into my postings. Folk on here are just waiting for me to say this or that will be a benefit and they will all be on their search engines to knock it into pieces. That is the usual level of discussion. So start with this one I”ll probably be back sometime tomorrow to read all the flack I will get.

    Get rid of the ECJ because of things like this.

    A Moroccan woman with a criminal record whose fight against deportation has been boosted by the European court of justice’s (ECJ) advocate general is the daughter-in-law of the radical cleric Abu Hamza, a Tory MP has said. :negative:

    My emphasis.

    Also I know of two at least on here will not believe anything unless it is reported in the Huffington Post. :unsure:

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    #486155

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    A Moroccan woman with a criminal record whose fight against deportation has been boosted by the European court of justice’s (ECJ) advocate general is the daughter-in-law of the radical cleric Abu Hamza, a Tory MP has said.

    Not knowing anything about Abu Hamza or his daughter-in-law , I did as you suggested and googled it .

    1 The article quoted is 3 years old

    2 Another article that is 2 years old in the same online newspaper says that the ECJ decided it was up to British judges to decide the deportation or not .

    I rest my case m’lud :-) :-)

     

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    1. A Moroccan woman with a criminal record whose fight against deportation has been boosted by the European court of justice’s (ECJ) advocate general is the daughter-in-law of the radical cleric Abu Hamza, a Tory MP has said.[/quote Not knowing anything about Abu Hamza or his daughter-in-law , I did as you suggested and googled it . 1 The article quoted is 3 years old 2 Another article that is 2 years old in the same online newspaper says that the ECJ decided it was upto British judges to decide the deportation or not . I rest my case m’lud :-) :-)

    Interesting; you didn’t give him any flack, as of course none is necessary, but were able nevertheless with a second’s Googling to dismiss the case.  If only more people did that before posting.

    Actually, it brings to mind something my gran said about 7 months ago, regarding my son who was on holiday with his mum at his grandparents’ house in Poland.

    She said it was great to see him climbing trees there, as it’s sad the EU has banned it here. I didn’t know what to say, but after a moment she said, ‘is Poland in the EU?’

    Having established yes it is and, no, climbing trees has not been banned by the EU, it sort of petered out. Also a leave voter in 2016, she’d like the democratic chance to change her mind.

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    If a supposed argumentative point can be easily contradicted, then it wasn’t a very good point in the first place. The ECJ is not the only court to make what are to some unacceptable judgements, it happens in the UK as well.

    Someone famous once said “The best use of imagination is creativity. The worst use of imagination is anxiety.” ~ Deepak Chopra

    Lets all be creative and not anxious :-) :-)

    Michael, that’s not telling us what the “huge, exciting possibilities” are.

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    To put a few facts into my postings. Folk on here are just waiting for me to say this or that will be a benefit and they will all be on their search engines to knock it into pieces. That is the usual level of discussion. So start with this one I”ll probably be back sometime tomorrow to read all the flack I will get. Get rid of the ECJ because of things like this. A Moroccan woman with a criminal record whose fight against deportation has been boosted by the European court of justice’s (ECJ) advocate general is the daughter-in-law of the radical cleric Abu Hamza, a Tory MP has said. :negative: My emphasis. Also I know of two at least on here will not believe anything unless it is reported in the Huffington Post. :unsure:

    When has the Huffington Post been mentioned on here? Just interested to know…

    Ditto, people knocking your posts to pieces? You’re only a recentish member. Why should there be ‘folk’ waiting for you to say this or that to pounce on you?

    I know you called me a moron but haven’t seen anything that controversial from you.

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    I know it is a waste of time debating Brexit and as my Abu Hamza posting (the ending of which I knew previously wasn’t exactly as I posted) I just like Brexiteers to think how good they are. As for the Huffington Post reference it is the Holy Grail for quoting from newspapers. Actually Jazzy you are one of the two in a previous life who said that the Huff was the only one you believed in. Enough anyway about Brexit from me , que sers sera. :heart: :rose:

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    I know it is a waste of time debating Brexit and as my Abu Hamza posting (the ending of which I knew previously wasn’t exactly as I posted) I just like Brexiteers to think how good they are. As for the Huffington Post reference it is the Holy Grail for quoting from newspapers. Actually Jazzy you are one of the two in a previous life who said that the Huff was the only one you believed in. Enough anyway about Brexit from me , que sers sera.

    Well done Radon ! :rose:

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    What about the latest then ?

    All that hand-holding and fawning was a waste of the PM’s time ? She didn’t do what the ” great man ” told her to , and now that he will be getting his mate in Downing street , everything will be better ?

    Boris will throw the UK farmers under the bus ,to be able to sell London to the US !

    Hurrah for the Stock Market. :whistle:

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    I know it is a waste of time debating Brexit and as my Abu Hamza posting (the ending of which I knew previously wasn’t exactly as I posted) I just like Brexiteers to think how good they are. As for the Huffington Post reference it is the Holy Grail for quoting from newspapers. Actually Jazzy you are one of the two in a previous life who said that the Huff was the only one you believed in. Enough anyway about Brexit from me , que sers sera. :heart: :rose:

    Don’t forget the Guardian! :good:

     

     

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    Don’t forget the Guardian!

    Seriously though Jazzy , which UK newspaper can you trust ? There must have been a time that what was written was actually what happened , but now , there is always a slight difference and mostly a direction  in the reporting . :-)

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    Don’t forget the Guardian!

    Seriously though Jazzy , which UK newspaper can you trust ? There must have been a time that what was written was actually what happened , but now , there is always a slight difference and mostly a direction in the reporting . :-)

    That’s a very good question. I love comparing the Guardian to the Daily Mail just to see the different slants they put on the same stories but out of the 2 I would trust the Guardian and pretty much dismiss anything the DM says mainly due to who owns the DM. Likewise any Murdoch owned paper. I think we all know Murdoch is a powerful figure whose press empire can make or break governments.

    Talking of powerful figures it seems that far from taking back control of the country it seems the UK is  passing this control onto Donald Trump who is now deciding who the UK ambassador to the US should be. :unsure:

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    Basically the UK never lost control of itself , all law proposals have to be agreed on by ministers from each country including the UK and passed in the EU parliament ( elected MEPs )

    If you study the turnout figures for the EU elections , the UK comes in with figures that are about the same as Romania , Latvia ,Slovenia , Bulgaria and Portugal. Which is very very sad from a country that claims it has no say in the European parliament ?

    I think the UK citizens will love being part of the US , but I don’t think it is ” beautiful Donald ” ( have you seen his latest tweet?)  that is ruling the world . He is just a puppet . :yes: :yes:

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    Exactly, sorry I was being sarcastic. It’s very ironic that the very people going on about taking back control, sovereignty etc seem to be ok with Trump saying who he’d like as ambassador and backing a Trump, or whoever is controlling Trump, puppet to be PM of the UK. Worrying times…

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    We will live through it Jazzy .

    As me old mum used to say to me ” you made yer bed , now you have to sleep in it ” I still believe she is right .

    No good complaining about what will come , and some good citizens still believe “Boris the clown” and think that Brexit is the best thing that can happen to the UK .

    I didn’t notice any sarcasm . :-)

    What I do notice is a complete apathy in the UK to what is happening . Bizarre :yes: :yes:

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    It would be nice to think that living here in France we are away from all this madness but the same forces are at work everywhere it seems. I think we are building up to another major conflict. It seems to be the human way never to be stable and in harmony. War is as much an industry these days as cars and fashion…

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    Can anyone tell us what the benefits of staying will be?

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    Can anyone tell us what the benefits of staying will be?

    Will get back to you on that one Dom , (unless someone else does) It’s been a long day .

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    Well how about:

    Being a member of the worlds largest economy .

    To be able to influence what happens in Europe .

    To carry on importing food without tariffs to feed the population .( Fruit and Veg mostly)

    Myself , having lived out of the UK most of my life and travelled to many countries for my work , appreciate the lack of borders in Europe.

    To be very honest , I think it will be good for the UK to be “outside” Europe for a while. Then again, the UK was  never really in Europe, but as my French neighbours say ” better the English than the Arabs ” :whistle: What a comparison ! :yes: :yes:

     

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    I am past caring if we stay in or out, whatever my opinions it matters not, politicians will do as they usually do, lie & cheat, look after their own interest first & foremost, the people will be treated as normal, like mushrooms.

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    I have given up asking about any advantages that have materialised or been perceived from our vote to leave the EU. I along with many others have asked this question and I don’t recall seeing one positive response. I draw my own conclusions from that.

    On the subject of the referendom I would ask if anyone would consider having a vote this year on a general election scheduled for 2022? Why is that any more crazy than taking Britain out of the EU on a vote that happened in 2016. In both senarios, a great deal can change in three years.

    As someone once said, “a week is along time in politics”    :unsure:

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    Can anyone tell us what the benefits of staying will be?

    The same as you have since you joined. At least those benefits are defined and tangiable as oppposed to the ones you’ll have when you leave.

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    Can anyone tell us what the benefits of staying will be?

    The same as you have since you joined. At least those benefits are defined and tangiable as oppposed to the ones you’ll have when you leave.

    I beg your pardon lady but I was born and live in France so whether the UK leaves or not makes no difference to me.

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    So was it just idle curiosity then Dom?

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    The same as you have since you joined. At least those benefits are defined and tangiable as oppposed to the ones you’ll have when you leave.

    I beg your pardon lady but I was born and live in France so whether the UK leaves or not makes no difference to me.

    I think there has been a misunderstanding of English !

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    Can anyone tell us what the benefits of staying will be?

    The reply is correct for the question , unless  you are not part of us ?  but why get upset about the grammar ? :rose:

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    No need to get worked up Dom. Deboer is right, it was your ‘us’ that prompted the ‘you’ response. Your phrasing etc comes across as very British so would never have guessed you were French. :rose:

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