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    The topic is to be seriously discussed in the Egyptian parliament and if the law passes, it will be a crime to be an atheist. Saw a TV interview last night with an Egyptian presenter and an avowed atheist on the panel. The presenter got all excited and insisted that the guest leave immediately and seek psychiatric help. He called for an ad break, assuring viewers that the guest would no longer be there when they resumed.

    A major infringement of liberty. Here’s one story, just Google “Egypt ban atheism” for others.

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    I’ll be alright then because in the UK I’m declared on the National Census as a Jedi!

    In England and Wales 390,127 people (almost 0.8%) stated their religion as Jedi on their 2001 Census forms, surpassing Sikhism, Judaism, and Buddhism, and making it the fourth largest reported religion in the country. In the 2001 Census, 2.6% of the population of Brighton claimed to be Jedi.

    :yahoo:

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    That would be the very thin end of the wedge. Once atheism is banned they would simply repeat the process with one religion after another until guess what??

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    All banning beliefs does is to drive them underground. Doesn’t stop people believing in what they choose to.

    Catholics were persecuted in England after the Reformation. Many carried on practising in secret, hence priest holes etc. As atheists don’t practice anything as such it will be even more difficult to prove…. :unsure:

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    Just had time to read your link VK and I genuinely worry for mankind. If I said that I missed the 1970’s and all the Beauty pageants I would be crucified (pun intended) on here! However, normally sane folk believe and, more worryingly, base their whole life on gibberish from non existent folk who supposedly lived thousands of years ago. No one ever says that they are living in the past. :unsure:

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    Whatever I may think of religion as a basis for a way of life, I cannot help but be impressed -not the word I’m after but I can’t think of the right one at the moment – by the serenity and calm one often sees in the faces and attitudes of certain monks and nuns who live in closed communities.

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    Certainly cause for concern..

    I would rather see atheism made compulsory so people in the real world can get on with life without prejudice. B-)

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    VK living in closed communities is perhaps one of the reasons for being calm and serene . Monks and Nuns  don’t , I understand  have to worry about paying a mortgage, holding down a job, whilst trying to care for children, who are sick on a Zero Hours Contract, paying for high cost of commuting to work etc.  I admire their respective callings but they are removed from reality, especially in a closed order.  :rose:

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    Well I shan’t be visiting Egypt for a holiday any time soon then as they probably would throw me in prison.

    Seriously though, it is a scary thought that this might actually happen because, as CAWAS says, this would only be the beginning of the end of a freedom of choice.

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    “That would be the very thin end of the wedge. Once atheism is banned they would simply repeat the process with one religion after another until guess what??”

    Don’t forget that atheism is not a religion

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    My mother and her sister went to a Catholic school, a lot of the nuns that taught them used to often hand out beatings on the children, my mum said she was frightened to death of them, what wicked buggers!

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    My Dad was brought up as a Catholic, attended Catholic school etc . My grandad was a farmer in a small village which only had a C of E church, the nearest Catholic church was in the nearest town, about 10 miles away. As there was no bus service on Sundays to the main town , my Dad & uncle used to have to catch the bus on Saturday to the town and stay overnight with my great-grandmother, who lived there, to be able to attend the church. During busy times, such as harvest, they couldn’t be spared, as all hands were needed to help, so my grandmother (who was very devout) used to send the boys to the local church on Sunday morning, thinking at least they attended church. When they went to school on Monday they were always asked if they had been to church, if they said yes, but to the C of E,  they would be caned by the priest or beaten with a shoe by the nuns. This was back in the 40s.

    My brother and I were brought up in the C of E faith, like my Mum,  as my Dad was adamant we should not be raised in the Catholic faith.

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    VK living in closed communities is perhaps one of the reasons for being calm and serene. Monks and Nuns don’t, I understand have to worry about paying a mortgage, holding down a job, whilst trying to care for children, who are sick on a Zero Hours Contract, paying for high cost of commuting to work etc. I admire their respective callings but they are removed from reality, especially in a closed order. :rose:

    Good point, Blue, hadn’t thought of it that way. But people in the world who don’t have those problems, ie the over rich and privileged, haven’t got the same calm and serene look, and they are equally removed from reality.

    Tigre, I think a lot of Jesuit brothers were wicked buggers, too.

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    On the plus side Egypt is fiercely protective of their Christian community so hopefully it’snot a move towards compulsory Islam.

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    I was sent to Catholic schools up to the age of 11. I regularly received the strap and cane for an accumulation of black marks for homework etc. Luckily my Father put me into secondary school when I failed my 11+

    My schoolwork improved dramatically when I was actually taught useful subjects instead of spending half the lessons trying to brainwash me into the faith.

    How can you make it illegal to not have a faith? It is a bit like banning members of Alcoholics Anonymous from becoming teetotal. :scratch:   :scratch:

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    An appropriate joke, for the day and the topic.

    In Florida, an atheist created a case against the upcoming Easter and Passover Holy days. He hired an attorney to bring a discrimination case against Christians and Jews and observances of their holy days. The argument was that it was unfair that atheists had no such recognized days.

    The case was brought before a judge. After listening to the passionate presentation by the lawyer, the judge banged his gavel declaring, “Case dismissed!”

    The lawyer immediately stood objecting to the ruling saying,

    “Your honour, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and others. The Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah, yet my client and all other atheists have no such holidays.”

    The judge leaned forward in his chair saying, “But you do. Your client, counsel, is woefully ignorant.”

    The lawyer said, “Your honour, we are unaware of any special observance or holiday for atheists.”

    The judge said, “The calendar says April 1st is April Fools Day. Psalm 14:1 states,

    “The fool says in his heart, there is no God.

    “Thus, it is the opinion of this court, that, if your client says there is no God, then he is a fool. Therefore, April 1st is his day. Court is adjourned.”

    You got to love a Judge who knows his scripture!

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    I thought jokes were supposed to be funny.

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    Different jokes for different folk, Paul.

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