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    How many of you like myself, have ever wondered what the future has got in store for us vis-a-vie technological developement(s).
    This graph and narrative might put in perspective for you. It did me.
    The question I asked myself of course – like a lot of you out there perhaps will do – was, will I be around to see such truly massive changes and benefits during my life?
    Opinions if you would.
    By the way, find the selective steps at the bottom right hand side of the page to find out more.

    http://theemergingfuture.com/speed-technological-advancement.htm

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    The technological singularity (also, simply, the singularity)[1] is the hypothesis that the invention of artificial superintelligence will abruptly trigger runaway technological growth, resulting in unfathomable changes to human civilization

    (credit wikipedia)

    Given  the current  average life span, those who are currently around say 50 or so, can expect to see this in their lifetimes. For a deeper explanation of what this means, go and read…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

    Does it frighten you or otherwise?

     

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    The next five years will bring even more changes than we had over the past 20!!  Not all for the good either….more control over everything including money and the internet.
    We will do as we are told!!! :negative:

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    Liz “The next five years will bring even more changes than we had over the past 20!! Not all for the good either….more control over everything including money and the internet.
    We will do as we are told!!! “

    You are very perceptive.  The situation is sad but true.

    The advantages offered by technology will only be enjoyed by the rich and powerful and wherever possible will be used to keep the rest of us in our place.

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    I’m still coming to grips with using a tablet for goodness sake!

    Sounds as though you’ve hit the nail on the head though Liz! :yes:

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    Exponential leaps and bounds.

    And as you say Shapeshifter, mostly not for our benefit.

    Sadly, bang on :-(

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    I am of the other persuasion.  I think that many of the developments will be farmed out and or developed whereupon they are of a benefit to us. But with a caveat. So long as they economically benefit those that develop/ manufacture them. Unless of course, they can be used for the military.

    Though, the idea of needing a military in it’s modern day usage and scope 50 years hence may well morph into something else entirely.

    Will it be a brave new ‘world’ though?

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    There is of course, this argument.

    Up until now and for probably the next decade or so, the greatest resource that the big movers and shakers will have is their human resource. Firstly because it is their main source of revenue and secondly, because it is the main workforce. That though, will in all probability change, what with the advent of robots and AI. Then we will most probably revert to being the main source of just revenue. Though, there is the argument of what will happen to those who are not seen as sources of revenue? And that is worrying!

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    What is worrying is that after this honeymoon period has passed is the possibility that the fat cats will decide the masses that support them can be replaced with the robots, etc. and that we are all just a drain on the resources.  After all, the world will become less productive the more it is plundered and poisoned.  All the rare earth minerals that are used in the high tech industries are yet one more finite resource, and the extraction process produces tons of toxic waste that is polluting the rivers and water sources where it is processed.

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    What I find alarming here, is the distinct lack of response to something that really is happening.  As we breathe.

    & everyone is affected too, no exceptions.

    :mail:

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    Maybe two reasons for that seeming apathy-

    1)     Too busy with their noses pressed onto their smartphones keeping up with the celebs on Fartbook.

    2)     The ones that do realise what’s going on feel that there is nothing us lower life forms can do to alter things. Some people think that the answer is in the power of the ballot box but I’m sorry, I believe that key politicians are bought by the worst offending industries.

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    Any suggestions for a course of action? I doubt our ability to initiate a world-wide uprising against the power of the large corporations, against environmental pollution and future Marmite shortages. So what we are left with is the power(lessness) of the printed word and our fury with all those developments that have changed our world for the worse.

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    They most assuredly are Shapeshifter, in fact the level of corruption amongst the ‘higher-ups’ has been exposed time and time again, so there is no way forward as long as this current (Global) political system stays in effect.  (Run by the very few)

    By the time the fiat currency is removed from circulation, there will be little or no option but to do as the Bankers all insist. (Run again, by the very few)

    So ‘money’ as we know it, will have to become something else for those who still wish to function in any ‘normal’ way.

    Thus leaving a big void or trap for all the folks who disagree with the current way of things, to fall into.

    And with more factories and industries becoming more and more automated, where does that leave the unemployed?

    Just how does one earn a living then?

    Only jobs that will exist in a highly mechanized scenario like that would be the (useless) high powered jobs that do nothing but serve as parasites on the masses/worker ants.  Raising costs and taxes, inventing new rules and laws for us to abide by, (like outlawing the collection of rainwater, harvesting organically grown plants for their seeds etc).  In other words, the system that is already in place.

    So, a major turnaround must occur.  Otherwise, history shall just be repeated once more.

    And ‘society’ will just carry on prostituting itself, to the benefit of the very few.

     

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    So what’s the answer? Isn’t it already so that robotics are used in many spheres where humans used to be? Hasn’t computerisation done the same? :unsure:

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    I remember in the early eighties, whole departments were made redundant, because everything was being computerised, in the company I was working for, plus business was conducted via a telephone and processed directly onto the system. Surgical procedures can now be done by a robot operated by a surgeon, who is not necessarily in the same room, or even in the same hospital! Will we still use actual money in future, it’s already being tried to be phased out by the ‘contactless cards’ ,  I feel for some of the older population with the technology, and I try and keep up! But, I feel most 6 year olds probably know a lot more ! BT are phasing out the red telephone boxes, as no one is using them any more, just as typewriters were made redundant by the introduction of the word processor ! I agree at the rate of progress that has happened, where shall we be in five years time. I just wish with all the money that is wasted, (my pet hate!) we could find a way of eradicating all the hunger and starvation in the .World , because in this day and age, it is truely disgraceful! :rose:

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    Very good points there fruity and blue.

    The simple answer is, stop consuming unnecessarily, cease supporting the big companies, promote the small business’ by buying local (unadulterated) produce (thus helping farmers too), and helping others to realize they are just feeding the ‘monster’ system that keeps putting hard working folks down, and pushing them into making decisions they shouldn’t have to.

    The large companies and industries are gradually, but ever more speedily swallowing up and ruining small industries and small business.

    Sadly it seems that nobody will see the demise of free speech and research online in time, until it becomes so heavily censored, even FB and Twitter accounts will be affected (& other social media).  They already are!

    Oh, btw, anyone on here actually tried to take out all their money from their bank account yet?

    They won’t let you.  The reason/(excuse)?

    Largely blamed on money laundering, or trafficking.

    That is one of the very clear ways of floating the gargantuan fake debt, and making it seem like everything is just business as usual.  You still have money in your account right?  And you can indeed make high value purchases, yes.

    But just don’t expect to be able to remove all your money from them.

    It’s actually theirs, not yours. (By ‘them’ I am referring to the banksters)

    The largest bunch of criminals, hidden in plain sight, laughing at poverty, profiting immensely from war, and monopolizing Nature.

    There, I said it.

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    Well said CB, just what we have been discussing.

    I hold out hope for a better route, but fear for the worst at times.

    And you know why :yes:

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    All is dependant on stability though and there are lots of things that could put a spanner in the works of these massive advances. Climate change, a world war, a global pandemic ( which is long overdue), a super volcano eruption (also long overdue)….

    Nature seems to have a way of setting things back to the start position again….

    Agree that advances are going to be in the interest of global corporations though and less so for the common good . Automated labour is going to take the jobs of millions of people in the near future, it’s a fact. Not just manual labour but in industries like banking, even medicine.  What will these people do and how will they live? :-(

     

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    The real reason a bank restricts the amount of money that you can remove from your account at any one time is to reduce the possibility of a run on the bank if there is a financial crisis – (sorry! – another financial crisis)

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    Real Reason,…  Excuse me!?

    Banks these days hold virtually no cash money, so no Fitter, that is not the ‘Real Reason’ as you say.

    It’s just an excuse they use to stop you.

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    Well, a possibly enormous development with regards all that I started off this topic about has been announced, or at least, I found evidence of such today.

    But first,  read this link…

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2016/10/02/heres-how-quantum-computing-will-change-the-world/#122d0216ad6d

    It appears that the word, or two words,  are ‘Quantum Computing’

    The problem of such, as far as I can see, up until today at least, was the fact that our modern day computers weren’t or aren’t able to handle the calculations and speed of such to perform these tasks well,  ie, for unlocking the secrets of our DNA.

    Which brings us to ‘Quantum Computing’ These quantum systems, which are in their ‘infancy’, have just been given a shot in the arm. This is interesting don’t you think?…..

    http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-time-crystals-are-a-new-crazy-state-of-matter-and-now-we-can-create-them

    Bit late in the day and too many things going on to give it the attention it deserves, but I am sure someone out there will more au fait with it than I.

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    Back in the sixties I remember a speech given by Harold Wilson on his vision of the future. A future of computers, mechanisation, job sharing and loads of leisure time. All sounds lovely, problem is, companies have mechanised, laid off labour, and cut prices, whereas plan should have been, kept prices as they were, put labour on a part time rota and put up wages. Its no good having robots do all the work if the cash isn’t there to pay the people whose jobs the robots have taken.

    At the moment we have a situation where industry in France has either mechanised big time or moved parts of the operation abroad, which in turn has led to 3.5 million unemployed. In the UK, we have a situation where companies haven’t mechanised, use agency labour or iffy self employed labour on zero hours contracts, and a government which has turned a blind eye to debt. Whereas in Germany we have a situation where companies have mechanised big time, cut profit’s, put staff on shorter hours contracts, paid higher wages and trains people for what the nation needs, which has led to a fairly stable economy.

    I’ve no idea what’s going to happen, other countries are catching up, won’t be long before the Indians, Mexicans and Brazilians over take us, won’t need our stuff, they will make all their own, faster and cheaper than we can.

    I was reading the other day about the British in India, and what they got up to. Apparently British factories couldn’t keep up with demand from India for railway rolling stock, so the British opened up factories in India, factories which then produced better standard, cheaper and faster than the factories in the UK. The British government had all the train factories in India shut, and made all the Indian rail companies buy British made rolling stock.

    Eventually bulk of us will be living off benefits living in a shoe box unless we are involved in a profession a machine cannot do, or a profession a human can do cheaper.

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    As automation is predicted to take over many more jobs some countries are investigating a universal basic income. An interesting article here as to how this could become a reality..

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    The powers that be don’t give a s*** about poverty and starvation BV so I wouldn’t hope for that to go away anytime soon. In fact I’m confident it will become a lot worse until Jackie’s plague or volcanic eruption comes along and redresses the balance a bit.

    I’m broadly of a similar opinion to Shapeshifter.

    I can easily see a ‘Mad Max’ scenario emerging within our lifetimes when the evils that are the media (social numptees and mainstream) have divided us sufficiently that tribal structures will return as people have little or no reason to contribute to the common good. The traditional glues of social cohesion such as religion, respect and communal progress will have been wiped out and people will have no option but to fight for themselves.

    In fact perhaps the only thing that will save us from such a fate might be something calamitous like a plague or climatic wipeout.

     

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    Although I’ve been posting the following link on forums for years nobody ever actually comments on what the article says or the issues it raises, only that it’s just another worthless conspiracy theory.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-true-story-of-the-bilderberg-group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808

    Well given the nature of this thread I think the article is very relevant and if any of you take the time to actually read it I’d be very pleased to hear what you think of it.

    Regards,

    John.

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    Interesting link Jon.

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    Ref  this, quote “The technological singularity (also, simply, the singularity)[1] is the hypothesis that the invention of artificial superintelligence will abruptly trigger runaway technological growth, resulting in unfathomable changes to human civilization” .

    Well …….. this, is potentially a quantum development…

    https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai-than-the-companys-engineers/

    Which leads to this scenario…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

    Which supports the first link I put up here, or if you can’t be bothered to look back at it, here it is again…

    http://theemergingfuture.com/speed-technological-advancement.htm

    Which begs the question. Has the rubicon been breached?

    Dark, bright, super luminescent? How is this going to effect us…….. it’s happening folks, and sooner than I thought.

    The immediate thing I thought was, sentient machines?!!!!! :wacko:   :unsure: worrying.

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    I should have ended that last sentence with a question mark. After doing a bit of searching I found this page. A long and complex read maybe, but give it a try, then look at the top again and tell me what stands out to you…

    http://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html

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    Just read some of the links.
    The articles smack of total control over EVERYTHING  ie Money, Internet, Health and Thoughts!!!
    “Big Brother” is very much alive and well and will ensure his way or no way.   We are well on the way to that now.

    Mrs May said after the G7 meeting that more controls over the internet were necessary…
    My prediction is that Governments, will in a very short time, take control and USA will oversee the project!

    I also see much more Cyber Warfare in the future…this will ultimately be the route controls will be put in place for the internet.

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