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    I have read literally hundreds of articles, by intelligent and highly respected people and they all seem to point in the same direction.  Some sound a little weird I have to admit but the overriding message is that we are pretty much stuffed with no way out.

    So to quote a line from Frank Zappa……………Don’t try to do no thinkin’.  Just get on with your drinkin’, and boogie ’till the cows come home.  :unsure:

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    A nice video I just watched which is now going to stop me from being able to sleep soundly tonight.

    And the caption at the end is primarily the reason!!!!!!

     

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    As long as the people want stuff there will be no change!

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    Bringing this back to  the top of the forum here because of a potential making headline.

    I haven’t had time to put it all together and make up my mind about the ‘veracity’ of such, but whilst I’m sat here going into such, I would like to offer up this for your viewing…..

    Watch this if you want. It is a rather long video at just over an hour.

    I would also like to add  there is a  thread up about Bitcoin up on here which will feed into this perhaps.

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    #261030

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    Ok, for a condensed version, watch this video, it’s much shorter and does cut to the more important parts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpzZ7C5FsnU

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    Not sure if I even want to try and understand all that.  The more obvious problem as I see it is that as jobs are replaced by machines in ever increasing numbers, the people who lose those jobs and don’t manage to find alternative  employment in the shrinking jobs market become dependant on the state for support. The machines, computers, robots etc that replaced these workers do not earn a wage so they don’t pay income tax or NI or VAT and therefore do not generate any form of revenue for the state that has to support the unemployed workers this technology has created.

    This is clearly not a viable situation in the long term but no one seems to be questioning the senario which is unfolding day by day. Am I missing something here? or are government’s just burying their heads in the sand yet again!  :unsure:

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    The current obsession with “robotisation” – if that’s the correct word, ignores a very important point,

    That is, there has never been invented yet, or ever will be, any artificial intelligence to match that of the human brain in it’s mindboggling complexity.

    Robots, automisation etc is a good strategy to get rid of boring, repetetive, dirty, dangerous jobs, a good thing altogether.

    You only have to look at the current self-driving car situation – they can cope unless something unusual occurs, then it’s back to the old human Mark 1 eyeball with the brain behind it to think outside the box!

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    To look on the bright side, there is a real need for service engineer. That’s what my daughter school been told by big company like airbus or several manpower companies. We will also have a problem with industrial electrician. 50% of them are around 55 years old, so you can imagine it could be a problem in less than 10 years. We need to adapt and train our youngsters to this new era.

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    My impression is that these films are not about robots in factories doing repetitive jobs etc.
    Internet has taken leaps and bounds over the past 20 years and our machines are now open to total monitoring with what are basically “viruses” and software  inserted to glean this information.
    Lots of holes in the operating systems which are  left open for this purpose.  This about modern internet technology which monitors everything you do online – shopping, banking, browsing etc. Lots of holes in the operating systems which are  left open for this purpose.
    Artifical Intelligence builds a profile of who you are and can often anticipate what you may be interested in and what you may want to buy or even behave and can anticipate how you may behave. What can we do about it – not much I am afraid.
    The only way is not to have a telephone, internet, smart tv or bank account and lets face it we couldn’t survive with out any of these things !

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    Just thinking about the computer. It was suppose replace paper in companies. By the look of my professional desk, I can’t believe it was a success :wacko:

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    LOLOL like it Babeth!

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    The current obsession with “robotisation” – if that’s the correct word, ignores a very important point, That is, there has never been invented yet, or ever will be, any artificial intelligence to match that of the human brain in it’s mindboggling complexity. Robots, automisation etc is a good strategy to get rid of boring, repetetive, dirty, dangerous jobs, a good thing altogether. You only have to look at the current self-driving car situation – they can cope unless something unusual occurs, then it’s back to the old human Mark 1 eyeball with the brain behind it to think outside the box!

    The point surely is that these boring, repetetive, dirty, dangerous(?) jobs provide a living for people who want to work and provide for their families, thereby paying taxes, National insurance and pension contributions towards their futures. Take away the jobs and you take away the tax contributions etc being paid to the treasury. Where is the money going to come from to pay for benefits, medical care and pensions in the future if no one is in full time  employment paying taxes etc. What the government is conveniently forgetting to mention is that most of the jobs being created these days are minimum wage and part time where the employed pay no taxes and the rich and privilaged are openly being allowed to avoid taxation by “legal” loopholes.

    The sums don’t add up!  :wacko:   :wacko:

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    I was reluctant to put this here, but then thought, why the hell not, lets see what this gets in  the way of responses?

    I must warn you though, that viewer discretion is advised. And best not viewed by children. You tube hasn’t censored it, so I take it it is ok.  :unsure:

    Pretty scary stuff TBH. :cry:

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    Quoting Fitter…….. “That is, there has never been invented yet, or ever will be, any artificial intelligence to match that of the human brain in it’s mindboggling complexity.”

    Ahem, ……… the bold text. Your words or those of someone else Fitter?

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    Frightening stuff

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    This is taken from Wikipedia and explains what AI is.

    The traditional problems (or goals) of AI research include reasoning, knowledge, planning, learning, natural language processing, perception and the ability to move and manipulate objects. General intelligence is among the field’s long-term goals. Approaches include statistical methods, computational intelligence, and traditional symbolic AI. Many tools are used in AI, including versions of search and mathematical optimization, neural networks and methods based on statistics, probability and economics.
    The AI field draws upon computer  science, mathematics, psychology, linguistics, philosophy, neuroscience, artificial psychology and many others.

    The field was founded on the claim that human intelligence “can be so precisely described that a machine can be made to simulate it”. This raises philosophical arguments about the nature of the mind and the ethics of creating artificial beings endowed with human-like intelligence, issues which have been explored  by myth, fiction and philosophy since antiquity. Some people also consider AI a danger to humanity if it progresses unabatedly.

    In the twenty-first century, AI techniques have experienced a resurgence following concurrent advances in computer power, large amounts of data, and theoretical understanding; and AI techniques have become an essential part of the technology industry, helping to solve many challenging problems in computer power, large amounts of data, and theoretical understanding; and AI techniques have become an essential part of the technology industry, helping to solve many challenging problems in computer science.

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    @john P. It is absolutely terrifying.

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    In our life time we have seen massive changes in modernisation ! Some of it is fantastic and wonderful, and has helped mankind I’m sure. But as with other developments, in our world , some is used for profit and criminal means.

    My Oncologist surgeon who operated succesfully on me in 2012 has pioneered a robotic type of surgery that can be operated within the same room or even a different hospital by remote control.

    Forgery, for example has become almost an art form,  with the present day technology, it’s difficult even for the experts to tell the real from the forgery!!

    Then ofcourse, in very recent times,we have the robotic ‘girl friend’  who will provide sexual favours, ( it’s not known, if it’s with or without conversation!)  or if indeed she just lies there and ‘ thinks of England!’  Maybe not something very new after all then!!!    :whistle:     I wonder if they will make a robotic ‘boyfriend ‘……. ;-)

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    The robotic boyfriend is almost there BV, but Houston just heard him cry out “we have a problem”. :wacko:

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    :yahoo:  Hilarious!  Yes they have had the odd problem taking off!

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