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    Sad to hear the passing of Freddie Starr. Not everyone’s cup of tea but a funny man imo.

    I recall spending a long afternoon with him at Yarmouth races in the mid-eighties. He kept cracking jokes or making quips almost non-stop a bit like Bob Monkhouse who also had a very quick-thinking brain.

    We were standing in the main stand watching the end of a race and we were both jumping up and down having both backed the same horse as it happened and after the result was confirmed I asked him how much he had put on the horse which came in at about 7/1. He replied “a hundred pounds” ! I had put on one pound which was just about what I could afford to lose !!

    Different folks, different strokes….

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    Yes a very funny man. He was very blue when live which was a shame because he didn’t need to be to be funny. The two TV shows he did, An audience with Freddy Star were very funny, you never knew what he was going to do next. The sad thing is there are no up and coming comedians to replace these guys. Modern ‘comedy’ is so strangled with PC it isn’t funny any more in my opinion :unsure:

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    Yes a very funny man. He was very blue when live which was a shame because he didn’t need to be to be funny. The two TV shows he did, An audience with Freddy Star were very funny, you never knew what he was going to do next. The sad thing is there are no up and coming comedians to replace these guys. Modern ‘comedy’ is so strangled with PC it isn’t funny any more in my opinion :unsure:

    I don’t agree. Lots of great humor around if you look for it. If you think humor needs to be offensive to be funny than the problem is with you.

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    Fair enough J so who would you recommend we listen to ?

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    I do not think humour has to be offensive to be funny, where did I say that? I just think some people are over sensitive about too many things these days. It has gone from one extreme to the other and strangled humour in the process. Generally I don’t find many comedians funny these days.

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    Micky Flanagan, James Acaster, Ricky Gervais, Peter Kay, Billy Connolly, Frankie Boyle, Lee Evan, Sean Lock. On Would I lie to you..David Mitchell, Lee Mack & Rob Brydon and when Bob Mortimer is on, even more funny. Paul Whitehouse and Harry Enfield, Kathy Bates, Johnny Vegas, , Kevin Bridges, Rhod Gilbert, Sarah Millican, John Bishop and I could go on and on. None of those could really be seen as PC, that’s for sure.

    I love comedy, always have, it’s as good today as it’s always been, if not overall better. In fact there are many more comedians today than I can ever remember in the past. When you look back to the “old days” on TV you had so little choice of funny men or women, now there are a huge amount more choices, take your pick, I have I guess, only mentioned a small percentage of mine. No doubt some will not like some of my choices but they are mine. I don’t mind “risky” comedians, without them the boundaries would be back in a cave somewhere. When you look back there have been plenty that were risky, including of course Freddie Starr who a large group of us went to see at Blazers, a club back then in Windsor, he was hilarious and very risky that night. It would be a very dull life if we never had a whole host of comedians  to entertain us. HIGNFY for instance is a topical show that has me laughing every week but I speak to others that don’t see the humour, which I dind quite bizarre but then we are all different.

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    Being a Spurs fan, I enjoy comedy too !!

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    Final Champions League, Pete…..not too funny at the moment…. ;-)

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    Fantasy football !

    Just getting there is brill, anything else is a bonus.

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    I have a feeling that Spurs may well win it but Liverpool never give up but then again, nor did  Spurs. Many years ago many of my mates were Spurs fans, so with a similar amount of Chelsea fans (like myself, we also had Fulham, QPR and Brentford mix with our mates) anyway I digress (Ronnie Corbett) several times a season we would go to other games other than our own team playing, at White Hart Lane we would reserve a table or two in  Le Chantecler, resto. under the stand, now long gone I believe? Last game that I went to WHL to watch was a 0-0 draw but the lunch was good!

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    I worked in East London for a while plus went there quite often as the head office was in East Ham and used to visit Upton Park regularly as it was literally across the road from the workshop. Getting to WHL was tricky tho’ as it always has been ! The old Hull FC ground used to have a train stop at the ground (Boothferry Park) which was superb, it’s a pity WHL doesn’t follow suit !!

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    So what in comedy has been strangled by political correctness then Johnp? I’m interested to know as Roger has named lots of comedians I like too, who push the boundaries without offending large swathes of the population.

    Certainly the brilliant Frankie Boyle is out to shock and has caused lots of controversy in the past. I would add Stewart Lee too who loves mocking the way people misunderstand what political correctness means.

    I recently caught up ‘The Windsor’s’ which we found hilarious. ‘Still Game’ is great too, about a group of OAPs living in Glasgow…

    There’s loads of great clever satirical and observational comedy out there.

    I’m certainly glad the days of Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning etc are behind us now although they will always have their fans..quite a few on here I suspect…. :whistle: :whistle:

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    Comedy is such a personal thing, some comedians just leave me cold, others really make me belly laugh, as for Freddie Starr I found him funny when he wasn’t too blue but what I most liked about him was when he sang as Elvis with the backing group that Elvis had. Great voice.

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    Leonard Rossiter, was brilliant, especially in Rising Damp, Warren Mitchell too, the way they delivered the script when acting was so clever, their mannerisms and facial expressions, masters of their profession.

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    It’s odd really, you have the old comedians like Jim Davidson, some of his jokes were classed as racist etc, they were more acceptable to a lot back then I suppose, and these days you have the likes of Frankie Boyle, who has mocked the disabled, taken the p*ss out of people with Cancer, yet some don’t seem to mind that, not much to choose between the pair of them really.

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    It is odd, humor is such a subjective thing. As a cancer sufferer myself I don’t  feel offended by Frankie’s cancer joke as it wasn’t directed at everyone with cancer wheras Jim Davidson was targeting whole groups.

    As for Warren Mitchel, the delivery may have been good but the material is now very dated and definitely of it’s time.

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    IMO Frankie Boyle is miles ahead both intellectually as well as humour of the racist and the homophobic fool Jim Davison who was shown to be as such on TV a while back when he called one lad a shirt lifter and something else that was much cruder. Boyle can make jokes that might make some shudder but they are along the lines of Billy Conolly.

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    Never took to Jim Davidson personally, but some decent funny men/women around. Ricky Gervais, Rob Brydon, Harry Enfield from a few years back and Peter Kay of course. I used to enjoy comics like Frank Carson and Charlie Williams and Billy Connolly was brill imo.

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    Of course a lot of the material back in the 80’s is dated, but you can’t take away the fact how popular it was at the time, the likes of Frankie Boyle are just as foul mouthed and controversial today, as said it depends on the preference of the individual.

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    Interesting replies, as has been mentioned humour is personal. Ricky Gevais? funny, really?

    Ok we all have to accept our humour is different. What amuses me someone else won’t find funny.

    I find Frankie Boyle funny but his language and subject matter are just as non PC as the comedians of 30 years ago. The language broadcast on late night TV now would not have been acceptable 30 years ago and is as bad as you would have heard in the clubs back then, but for some reason that is ok. Billy Connelly, such a funny guy and still acceptable it would seem. Bernard Manning, Mike Reid etc, not acceptable but were very restricted on TV. If you wanted to see them at their best you had to see them live or buy the video. Now that was your choice. Everyone knew their humour and no one was presented with it unexpectedly on TV or forced to watch it.

    TV has changed so much, Alf Garnet, Love thy neighbour and the like, are so non PC now but it was an era, a part of our history and we shouldn’t be ashamed of it because you can’t change the past. It is a shame humour is in some ways  so stifled now whilst foul language seems to be becoming more and more acceptable. A good comedian doesn’t have to swear to be funny, whilst on the other hand, a joke can lose all it’s impact without a swear word, it is a fine line. You like what you like, it is a shame so many people are so quick to judge. :-)

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    TV has changed so much, Alf Garnet, Love thy neighbour and the like, are so non PC now but it was an era, a part of our history and we shouldn’t be ashamed of it because you can’t change the past. It is a shame humour is in some ways  so stifled now whilst foul language seems to be becoming more and more acceptable.

    The only thing I can remember about Alf Garnett ( Warren Mitchell) was that there was a lot, a lot, of swearing  ( foul language), which seemed to make people laugh .

    There are more good comedians, male and female , around now, than I can recall of in the past . The comedy is also a lot more clever than it used to be . Many male favourites , Diane Morgan is probably my favourite female comedienne .

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    I really don’t like Frankie Boyle. Although I’m not easily offended, he somehow offends me :negative:

     

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    Comedy isn’t any cleverer than it was years ago, it’s just that times have changed, certain subjects are now not tolerated, some are, very offensive language on tv seems to be tolerated. I can’t understand why some people are not offended for example, by derogatory remarks about disabled people, yet are about the colour of someone’s skin or sexual preference, they are all equally offensive surely?  There are some very good comedians around today, Frankie Boyle has had me in stitches, Billy Connolly I can watch until the cows come home, just as I enjoyed some of the comedy back in the 80’s, but some of their content isn’t funny, it is offensive. If you look back at some of the clips from ‘ till death do us part’ some of the script was hilarious, made even better by the way Warren Mitchell delivered it.

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    Cupcake, some of Frankie Boyle’s deliveries aren’t very pleasant at all, but he can be very funny at times, I liked him on ‘ mock the week’ but I thought his one man show wasn’t up to much at all.

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    Billy Connolly is magic. Two of his stories stick in my mind; one about an old lady falling off a bus and the other about a chap with Tourette’s syndrome singing Christmas carols in a US shopping Mall.

    I like Peter Kaye and Henning Venn.

    Also I like Sean Lock and Milton Jones.

    Could not stand Freddie Star, just did not find him funny at all.

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    I think one of the differences these days, is that we are more privy to news, gossip, we hear so much about celebrities, Royals and political party members,  their private lives etc, so that has changed comedy in a big way.

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    There was a lot of swearing in till death us do part but I don’t remember ever hearing the “f” word, mostly bloody or bleedin which you can hear in the average episode of Eastenders. Only fools and horses was sheer brilliance as was Porridge and Allo Allo. Situation comedy at it’s very best :yes:

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    Frank Skinner was great live, Jack Dee too. Steve Coogan is very funny too, saw him live many years ago. The last Alan Partridge series had some side splitting moments. Love the league of Gentlemen crew and ‘ Inside No 9’…

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    “Swearing and swearing are two ”

    Swearing is just a lack of vocabulary . I was brought up , not to swear .

    Wether it begins with a f or a c or  a b , it makes no difference . I have worked with people that swore every second word , ignorance.

    So humour ( in my world ) doesn’t need swearing , it needs intelligence . I like Frankie Boyle ,not because he swears , but because he uses his wit to point out problems in society .

    I love Frank Skinner because he is honest. :-)

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    You worry me Pete ! :yahoo:

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