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  • 30th May 2021 at 12:30 pm #551908

    Just come in from the garden for a cup of tea. I spent much of yesterday weeding around the onions and finished trimming the borders round the veg plots. It is now looking very tidy. This morning there was more weeding, this time round the carrots, which I previously thought I would have to reseed entirely. There are more than enough to provide an early crop, and I will reseed the gaps for a later crop. Wish I could say the same about the sweetcorn and parsnips. I also prepared a couple of plots for courgettes.

    Temperature in the greenhouse at 9am was 22°C, and it is now up to 30 with the door wide open. Cucumbers are about to flower, and I have already transplanted 5 cherry tomatoes brought on from seed into large pots. Standard toms will be transplanted this afternoon.

    Tea break finished. Back to work.

    30th May 2021 at 1:51 pm #551919

    I’ve taken all the tops off of the remaining broad beans and continue to harvest those that remain.

    The haricot verts that had their leaves blown off by the strong winds have started sprouting new leaves! Mr F has lots of seedlings growing in the greenhouse, he’s had to put the summer shading sheets over it today!

    30th May 2021 at 4:40 pm #551934

    In writing this, I realise that I will be very much going against the general flow of those who genuinely enjoy their “potaging” on the forum and posting adversely on the subject may well be viewed as blasphemy. Never mind – here goes!

    Looking at it in terms of the end result, it really does look like damned hard work. Surely Abi’s postings over the last couple of days rather prove this. It’s just a continual battle against the weeds – that is, I suppose, if you’re doing it organically and there’s not much point if you don’t.

    From the moment you sow the seeds, the first disappointments appear. Half of them don’t germinate or die because they’re too cold. The others have to be thinned out and transplanted and even then, you can’t see them for weeds.

    I’ll admit that this is the time of year when a vegetable garden can look at its finest. But then what happens – the cabbage white appears and eats most of it and then there’s the blackfly and then the weather starts to heat up and unless you’ve got a well and a pump, you’re fighting to find water or the whole lot dries up.

    Finally when you come to harvest, nothing comes out of the ground looking as it should – what looks reasonable on top bears no resemblance to what’s going on under the soil and even if you’ve got a crop, you’ve got to have somewhere to store it to stop it all going rotten.

    I completely understand that there must be some sort of psychological satisfaction to growing your own, but realistically, the economics surely don’t add up when you can pop up to Lidl and buy your veg at a quarter of the price in good fresh condition. I know, it’s not produced organically, but none of it’s killed me yet.

    And all the time you can be lying in the sun with a beer or a glass of wine looking at your flower garden instead of being on your hands and knees.

    I’ll fetch my coat!!!!

    30th May 2021 at 5:46 pm #551936

    Not blasphemy JJ just another person’s view of what’s important to them in their life, and I get it.

    Even gardeners have differing views on how they do their gardening. I could never be a complete slave to the veggie patch I’m afraid and I have a pretty philosophical attitude about it in general. I always say when I plant anything, it’s got two chances, if it doesn’t survive then I’ll buy it, however, when it does it’s very rewarding!

    Mr F. slaves more in the greenhouse, but it’s something he finds pleasurable – I wouldn’t, I haven’t got the patience!!

    30th May 2021 at 7:08 pm #551945

    JJ has got it all wrong. While couch potatoes lounge around piling on the pounds, but doing nothing to stimulate the mind and body, we gardeners are doing both at the same time.

    And despite the few failures in the garden, I have row upon row of potatoes, peas, beans, onions, beetroot, lettuce, brassicas, turnips with swedes to follow, many of which will see me well into next year. And while you are buying vegetables from Aldi, many of which come from Spain or further afield and therefore have a heavy carbon footprint, I am enjoying fresh food straight from the garden throughout much of the year. In my case losses to blackfly and other garden pest are generally minimal, and the vast majority of my vegetables come out of the ground in good condition. What I can’t eat at the time is stored. Onions are hung in the shed, potatoes stored in a cool corner in the rear of the house, and what can be frozen goes into the freezer.

    Economics are are another issue. I save a small fortune by growing my own. I don’t use chemicals other than washing up liquid to spray blackfly and caterpillars, so my produce is much better than supermarket food unless you pay substantially more for bio. Time expended is not time wasted, and should not be monetised. No-one asks a modeller who has just made a replica of a warship out of matchsticks, or someone who spends hours learning to play the piano what the cost in time was. And no-one can put a financial value on the satisfaction of sitting down to eat food you have produced.

    By all means you can sit around, drinking your beer, and seeing time passing without any sense of achievement. Time is one of our most precious gifts, and it is so sad to see it squandered. When your time is come, and you are asked “What have you achieved in life”, I will have a list of things, you will have a beer belly. :negative:

    That reminds me. The local bar is open. Time for a couple of beers before cutting the grass and finishing the flower borders.

     

    30th May 2021 at 7:33 pm #551948

    Well no beer bellies here…Abi K…the garden still needs weeding …vegetables or not.

    this garden is overflowing with so many things that I don’t  recognize.. and none of them are edible…except an amazing herb bed…

    Ive tried growing my own…good intentions overflowing…it was a failure…this year I have three courgette plants…and some of my very prolific raspberry canes brought with us and flourishing…

    We are not all made to be self sufficient …mr marmite thinks gardening finishes with lawn cutting.

    I admire all you successful gardeners…truly…but I,m a failure, no green fingers here,I even have trouble deciding what’s a weed…

    We all have our strong points…maybe next life.

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    30th May 2021 at 8:09 pm #551952

    Anyone that doesn’t grow their own vegetables will never know the difference from what you grow yourself and the veg  that you can buy ( so called ) cheaper in the supermarket .

    Abi K  likes to write about the hardships of gardening , or so it seems . ( I’m sure I will be corrected :whistle: )

    We garden organically , sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t , but it is always worth doing .We have few disappointments , at the moment the problems that we are having in the veg garden are due to climate change.

    I have grown veg in the same spot for 30 years , so there are very few pests , but we used to have Winters too . :yes: :yes:

     

     

     

    30th May 2021 at 9:25 pm #551959

    Wow – I knew I would set off a firework there!

    Abi- Just because I like a beer or a glass of wine on the terrace, it doesn’t mean I do it all day long developing a beer belly! Maybe half an hour before supper watching Toby the Robo finishing his day’s work.

    Strangely enough, I do spend a fair amount of time playing the piano – Mrs J and myself have spent much of lockdown writing songs with a neighbouring guitarist and we hope that when things ease up a bit we’ll be able to go out and play concerts again which we did before this dreadful virus took hold. Admittedly this does generally involve sitting down.

    However, we have long sandy beaches a couple of miles up the road so with Django our border collie, there’s plenty of exercise there. The days are all taken up to good effect.

    I do understand all about growing your own stuff – In the UK, many moons ago we used to grow a lot of vegetables, not least ten acres of asparagus – admittedly not organically and now, although it went very well at the time, I just find it easier just to pop up to Lidl and buy a bunch for supper – which I did today.

    Anyway I genuinely wish you “bon courage” for the coming season and truly hope that all the fruits of your labours pay off. So I have a genuine respect there!

    30th May 2021 at 9:34 pm #551960

    Me too…genuine respect and a smidgeon of envy…

    fortunately I have good friends who grow their own and often get given baskets full of lovely home grown veg.

    i repay in other ways…

    keep it up you gardeners ,I’ll carry on reading your progress and enjoying  the posts….if not the veggies.

    30th May 2021 at 10:53 pm #551967

    Abi K  likes to write about the hardships of gardening , or so it seems . ( I’m sure I will be corrected

    I just write about the day’s events. At the moment it is hard work, but the hardships are short term. Once I have finished the weeding and tidying everything, I just have to wait until the vegetables comes to fruition and the flowers are in full bloom. Isn’t that worth working for?

    30th May 2021 at 11:20 pm #551968

    JJ, I started my last post earlier, but then my pals wanted to go for their evening walk. I forgot to click on submit. Then it was time to eat, and I listened to the wireless for a while, the BBC Home Service of course. I finally got back to the forum and submitted what I had written. Although my post is timed at 10:53 it was written before you posted. Nice to hear that you are into music. For relaxation I strum a few notes on the guitar and rattle a few ivories on my electric keyboard. I’m not a musician, never will be, but it’s fun.

    Hope the beer belly comment didn’t offend you. It was said tongue in cheek.

     

    31st May 2021 at 6:26 am #551976

    Having read JJS posts he puts an enormous amount of energy into his new home…I,m sure there’s no beer belly there.

    We are all putting the most we can into our lives I don’t think many of us spend our days doing nothing but sitting in the garden.

    Keep on gardening and reporting on your vegetables progress …it’s interesting for the non gardeners amongst us  .

    31st May 2021 at 8:59 am #551988

    You were up early this morning, Marmite. I didn’t get up until the usual time of 6.50 in time for the Today programme, although my cat woke me at 6.

    Just about to resume work. Forgot to water plants in greenhouse last night. Nearly finished flower border in front of house last night. Another half hour should see it done. Another border at the end of the lawn needs tidying up, but that won’t take long. Should have a relaxing hour or so on the mower this afternoon. I’m running out of jobs to do. That will change when 10 tonnes of sand/gravel arrive to repair my drive. A tractor will do the hard work, but there will still be some levelling to be done by hand.

    31st May 2021 at 9:11 am #551992

    Yes Abi k …too early..the cats are brilliant at deciding when we should get up.

    starting with a gentle yowl…which gets louder…then the 3 year old leaps on the 1 year old and a good time is had by the pair of them…

    one of us gives in.  Usually mr marmite…they are ejected…

    Being awake ..coffee calls…going back to sleep..not an option.

    mind your back!

    31st May 2021 at 9:49 am #552000

    Please don’t worry Ali – I don’t offend easily! My original post was somewhat tongue in cheek as well – you do seem to be ploughing through a mountain of work though. How are you going to shift all that gravel – have you got somebody who can help you?

    Going back to the garden – although we don’t grow vegetables, Mrs J loves her cooking and we never eat pre prepared food. To this end, she has a very extensive herb garden which – yes – needs weeding! I’m all in favour of this as at the end of the day I’m the main recipient.

    It’s interesting that the French, for all their puffing and blowing about food, often as not, haven’t a clue how to cook vegetables which are often served boiled to pulp. A certain crispness maintains the flavour without losing the texture and surely this is important.

    Anonymous
    31st May 2021 at 10:03 am #552002

    Please don’t worry Ali – I don’t offend easily! My original post was somewhat tongue in cheek as well – you do seem to be ploughing through a mountain of work though. How are you going to shift all that gravel – have you got somebody who can help you? Going back to the garden – although we don’t grow vegetables, Mrs J loves her cooking and we never eat pre prepared food. To this end, she has a very extensive herb garden which – yes – needs weeding! I’m all in favour of this as at the end of the day I’m the main recipient. It’s interesting that the French, for all their puffing and blowing about food, often as not, haven’t a clue how to cook vegetables which are often served boiled to pulp. A certain crispness maintains the flavour without losing the texture and surely this is important.

    Just in case you have misconstrued why I post about our garden and write about the failure of our broad bean crop this year , it is our only failure . I write about it so that anyone that needs info or help in their veg garden sees that not everything is perfect .

    This year we are having success with ; garlic,peas,cauliflower,broccoli,cabbage,lettuce,potatoes,beetroot and celery ( both branch and root) Our tomatoes, peppers and aubergines have just been put outside and I will be sowing further veg for the Summer this week .

    The season started late due to the late cold stormy weather, so now it is very busy.

    It’s interesting that the French, for all their puffing and blowing about food, often as not, haven’t a clue how to cook vegetables which are often served boiled to pulp. A certain crispness maintains the flavour without losing the texture and surely this is important.

    That is quite a statement ! The French .

    Obviously you have had only good food in the UK ? :whistle:

    31st May 2021 at 11:59 am #552015

    My original post was somewhat tongue in cheek as well

    That was quite obvious. Incidentally, do you have a recipe for tongue in cheek?

    How are you going to shift all that gravel

    A farmer friend has already said he will move it in the bucket of his tractor. I couldn’t manage otherwise.

    Our tomatoes . . . have just been put outside

    In past years I have grown tomatoes in the polytunnel, but put a few out in the garden. The outside tomatoes always turned black, so I now keep them all inside. Last year the crop was so great that many went through the food blender and were frozen for use in chillies and soup at a later date, and others given away. I will have less plants this year – at present 5 cherry variety and 4 standard are in large pots, but I would like at least one more standard. Chillies and green peppers were kept inside until they fruited. Same with cucumbers.

    31st May 2021 at 12:26 pm #552016

    Deboer – I love French cuisine, although I maintain that by and large, but not always, they’re not good with vegetables which is a shame as they produce a lot of very high quality produce.

    It’s a personal thing – probably going back to over cooked vegetables at school. Both of us prefer vegetables “al dante” with a certain crispness. In this way the flavour is not boiled away. Stir frying with natural olive oil or even something like walnut oil produces excellent results as well.

    Although, because I live here and because Mrs J is so good with food, I have come to accept that the French have a certain way of dealing with cuisine but often, because her standards are so high, in a restaurant I might have a tendancy to criticise where others might not.

    31st May 2021 at 1:41 pm #552028

    The garden has had to take a back seat at the moment, as far as my part in the proceedings is concerned, I’ve been otherwise occupied with a paintbrush, but Mr F has plenty of seedlings and plantlets coming on in the greenhouse for when I’m back out there!

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    31st May 2021 at 2:11 pm #552033

    In past years I have grown tomatoes in the polytunnel, but put a few out in the garden. The outside tomatoes always turned black, so I now keep them all inside. Last year the crop was so great that many went through the food blender and were frozen for use in chillies and soup at a later date, and others given away. I will have less plants this year – at present 5 cherry variety and 4 standard are in large pots, but I would like at least one more standard. Chillies and green peppers were kept inside until they fruited. Same with cucumbers.

    We grow all our tomatoes in the politunnel , that was what I meant by outside , they are started in the conservatory,  sorry . We grow three varieties , one for juicing and two for salads ( we have a leonardi extractor).We have grown tomatoes from our own seed for 5 years , cherry tomatoes grow themselves from seed in the tunnel every year so we don’t bother growing them.

    I will be planting out ( in the tunnel) melons and one cucumber this week now that the temperature has gone up. :yes: :yes:

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