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    Pete James
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    Nor me dearie !!

     

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    Ooh you are awful, Pete, but I do like you.

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    Careful Pete, you will get a reputation  :whistle:

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    I had one of those decades ago when I was in the MN, problem is that nowadays I can’t live up to it !!!

    I was speaking with a lovely young lady the other day and I said “Cor, if only I was twenty years younger !” she came back with ” Yeah, and you would still be ten years too old….”

    Life’s a barsteward sometimes, n’est pas ?

     

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    To those that were confused by my comment, I just couldn’t understand why people, including the OP, carried on reacting to my post as though it was serious, even though I had already explained it was tongue in cheek. That’s why I came to the conclusion it must be hostility.

    As far as the controlling of the gypsy women is concerned I think it’s very sad. I find it very difficult to believe that any human is truly content being a servant to others. Would you be? Also they are hardly likely to admit it to a tv crew in front of their peers are they? Also perhaps it’s more a case of acceptance of their lot due to no alternative rather than happiness

    I’ve read about travelling communities too. The women aren’t well educated or taken out of education at an early age so there’s no chance for them to do reach their potential or do anything else than be housewives and mothers. Also very sad….

    I await to be pounced on…. :rose:   (hopefully this falls into the pleasant smiley category)

     

     

     

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    I think to be quite honest Jazzy, unless you’re born in to such a way of life like that, that has been the same for generation upon generation then it’s very difficult for us to often understand, it’s the same as the Caste system they have in India, you’ll probably find that the Gypsy women wouldn’t want and couldn’t cope with a different way of life. Who knows?

    As for your original post, it unfortunately came over as a bit antagonistic, hence the confusion. As the saying goes though “All is well that ends well”.

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    Yes, agree it may be difficult to understand but women all over the world have rebelled against, or are currently rebelling against, this way of life which strongly suggests it’s not ideal.

    It was at one time, the norm, generation after generation for Western women too so how come the women’s liberation movement came into being?

    Gypsy women aren’t a different species so, why should it be the ideal for them either so hopefully their time will come soon…

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    I am reminded of the days, not that long ago, when upon marriage, all you owned became the property of the husband, as did you! You were limited in what you could inherit, had no say, no vote , this became obsolete in , I believe , in 1922 of the Married Woman’s Property Act.   In my life time , the doctor expected you to bring a letter from said husband to give his permission for you to get  Birth Control  ( the pill) !!  I believe also the permission was needed for a credit agreement , and at some point a bank account!

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    I know what you mean jazzy, but when you think of the Gypsies and their lifestyle, the way they settle in an area and then are often moved on by the authorities, their everyday life , many have no proper education, although they are often very street wise, can you imagine being a young girl and breaking away from all that on your own? Some probably have, it would be interesting to find out a bit more in the way if any of them have.

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    Those aren’t gypsies, tigre, they’re travellers; easy to make the mistake when the latter are so often mislabelled for the former. There was one gypsy woman in the programme the other night who had a profession outside of the society, but for the life of me I can’t now remember what it was. She was, notwithstanding, still an integrated member of her group.

    I’d guess that the women’s liberation movement came along because there were sufficient numbers of well educated women in Western society courageous and outraged enough to speak out against ‘traditional’ machist values. The Pill certainly helped as well, with women no longer dependant on men taking, or not, responsibility.

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    That’s interesting, VK, I always thought both groups were nomadic, again it would be interesting to know  more about their lifestyle and culture.

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