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    Found an article on line which, to me, is a balanced point of view from “myth-busting” American feminist Christina Hoff-Summers and why she is “mortified by contemporary feminism”. Read the article (opens in a separate tab so you can read it at your leisure if you wish).

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    I have to say I don’t often read a newspaper or watch the news, but when I do I get a bit fed up of reading about yet another male celebrity being accused of sexual harassment. I actually feel quite sorry for some of these chaps being publicly exposed like this before all the facts are out.

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    Interesting VK , but it’s a global situation, in some countries , women are nothing, just there as baby makers and cooking, not even allowed to eat with their men!  Then there are the women that are covered from head to toe because it’s not right for other men to see their property!  Then there is the pay gender gap, it’s still not resolved, I walked up and down Threadneedle Street as a young woman with others & banners,  because all the men were paid higher working along side women!  Because ‘ they were the breadwinners’ was the reason!! Plus women  were not alllowed to have a mortgage until she was 40 , to be past child bearing age, not much fun for a single woman!!  It’s made headlines on the news, re BBC female presenters earning a lot less than their tv partners , but the principal is no different , even though they are earning fabulous money!  When I was younger, you laughed off sexy comments, and the odd cheeky comment, Woolf whistles were all the rage. They seem to have gone out of fashion now!  All this about men in high power jobs and the casting couch thing has gone on for years, way back to Alfred Hitchcock era. It’s not new. Some of things today have got lost in equal rights, which gave men the opportunity to loose the old style stuff, of standing up to be polite , giving up your seat on a bus, opening a door etc. but I feel it’s about respect for each other, I’m not as strong physically as a man, but maybe mentally I am.

    In certain countries it’s quite normal for a woman to be raped or murdered etc, it’s happened in Britain too, until certain men are taught from an early age that women are just as precious as a man it will continue. We are all human beings together , on this earth for a short time.  We are all equal in that!  :rose:

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    Blue, it’s never NORMAL for women to be raped and murdered, wherever it happens.

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    I quite agree VK , it’s not my normal !  I’m shocked to the core, but it doesn’t seem to shock those in who’s commmunities it happens!  Even their own relatives!  My point being , women appear as worth nothing.  :cry:

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    Then its about time mothers (who are women themselves) start teaching their children that this is all wrong at the most basic level and that any tradition or religion that promotes it needs to change.

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    I think some women seemed to have lost their way and not sure what they want, they want to have careers and have time off to have babies, but do not want to miss out on promotion, want to be equal to men but still want the advantages of being a woman,they can’t have it all that is a fact of life,I come from an age where men did stand up when a woman leaves the table and pull the chair out for a women to sit, give up a seat on the bus I still do, but this is considered old fashioned and sexist, I remembered a couple of years ago when I was visting the UK, a mum pushing a buggy with a child in was struggling to get through a shop door so I opened the door a stepped aside to let her pass, only to be met with a tirade of abuse ending with you effing sexist pig, storming off uttering more abuse, I never ever heard my Mother/Grandmother or sister use that sort of language, if that is the equality they want then it is a sad world.

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    Agree with you, whatnow, chivalry, or basic good manners, is not the same as sexism. Re the buggy incident, if I saw a father having the same problems then I would open the door for him as well. As for the woman in your example, met with abuse I think I would have shut the door in her face!

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    When I worked for an insurance company in the mid eighties the senior management were very hot on holding doors open for women but couldn’t cope with with a women manager from another company in the management dining room. It upset their boys enclave so much they completely ignored her.

    Personally I’d prefer to open my own doors and be treated as an equal in the management dining room which eventually became defunct.

    Also totally agree with BV’s post. The article is very American biased but doesn’t mean I disagree with what the author is saying

     

     

     

     

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    I open doors for women and have found it to be greatly appreciated.  Having men treat women with respect does not in any way diminish equality!

     

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    Exactly! I wouldn’t yell at you for that Breadhead !  Nor does it dimish you as a man,  I love the ‘ being looked after , protective effect’  just as I love cooking for my man and  being very female for him alone!  :rose:

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    I wouldn’t slam the door in her face, not only was there a child in the buggy, but that is not how I was bought up and that would make me as rude as she was.

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    Politeness is different to feminism, I would expect and do open doors for other people regardless of gender, nothing annoys me more than when someone goes through a doorway and lets the door go in my face, be they male or female, it’s rude and it gets my back up, but it isn’t because I feel it’s my right as a woman but as a human being.

    What would you say are the advantages of being a woman whatnow?

     

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    Bang on there FC, opening doors and being helpful to anyone is just pure politeness irrespective of gender, colour, race etc etc.  It’s good to be polite, it good for your health, if you can help someone once a day you will feel good about yourself.

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    We sit near to the door in our local Wetherspoons pub in Selby. I frequently stand up and hold the door open for ladies and gents of all ages who have their hands full or are pushing buggies. I also hold it open for a couple of disabled gents, one with a walking frame and the other with a mobility scooter. Never ever had a bad word from anyone yet!

    Once again the BBC peed Anne and me off this morning they referred to Ruby Wax as a comedian and an actor. She isn’t, she is a comedienne and an actress. I think the BBC have a definite policy about going genderless! :negative:

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    I suppose it’s the same as being  a Plasterer, Builder, Painter, Plumber, etc etc.  Non gender descriptive terms. But I too miss the Actress, Post Lady, Commedienne , Chair Lady, etc too!   I look forward to seeing if there will be Male and Female  or Transgender Toilets!!  In the future!!

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    BV, it will be gender neutral toilets, the world’s gone mad  :wacko:

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