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    This report makes interesting reading about the traces of glyphosate found in food and drink

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    I just hope they are not going to use all their stocks as much as they can before they are not allowed to use it anymore

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    God knows what’s in some food these days! It makes you wonder what health problems the next generation will have to deal with, so much more fast food about too.

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    An American report about French wine ?

    The “American standards “are a little different from those in Europe .

    Roundup has been banned in France since January, but not in the whole of the EU . Once again it is due to politics being more important than the ” milk cows” that pay the taxes.

    I would presume that ANY poisons found in food and drink would be a bad thing for the consumer of those products but a lot of consumers don’t seem to mind or care about what they eat, so that can be classed as consumer freedom .

    Just as an example : our neighbour has gone organic ( bio) after years and generations of using herbicides,pesticides and antibiotics . Half his herd of cows died the first year of the conversion. :-)

     

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    I hope as you do Babeth!

    I agree tigre, we really don’t know what we’re eating and, like you, I do wonder what effects will manifest themselves on future generations.

    That is very worrying Deboer and you’ve brought up another valid point about the number of antibiotics pumped into the animals that we eat eventually that must lower our immune systems!

    It’s quite amazing that when discussing the subject the amount of poison in food is not a case of “Oh shock horror we’re eating poison!” but that the amount of poison we’re eating is okay!

    Another point was put to me the other day when speaking to a friend about the fact that our youngest (8yrs old) granddaughter is already showing signs of early puberty, I told the friend that my daughter, concerned that this might bring about her starting menstruation at too young an age was amazed when discussing it with other mums to discover that at least two of them had daughters who had started this at age 9 yrs old ! My friend wondered if something in our environment or food had any effect on this. Little girls don’t seem to stay little girls for long enough! Has anyone any knowledge if this early onset puberty has presented itself with boys too?

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    Careful Fruitcake , you are getting into the realm of the pharmaceutical  giants .

    As you all know , as I have stated many times ( ad vomitum ) “You are what you eat” . You eat cheap meat that is kept alive with antibiotics and made mature with hormones , you will become the same .

    It is so simple , but still the masses prefer to buy cheap food and don’t actually realise why it is so cheap ( or don’t care? ) but , but , when the kids start to grow horns etc , they get alarmed .

    Off my rocking horse now.  :whistle:

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    My friend wondered if something in our environment or food had any effect on this.

    Puberty for girls is between 9 and 13, for boys it’s between 11 and 15.

    “Endocrine disruptor could be one, (using DeepL for the following, too difficult to translate for me) such as phthalates, bisphenols, parabens, flame retardants, etc… are omnipresent in pesticides, insecticides, plastics, toys, cosmetics… They have an “estrogen-like” activity, i.e. they alter the hormonal system of the human being by mimicking the effect of natural estrogen: the puberty process can start earlier.

    Obesity could be one too : Another serious avenue is the change in eating habits over the past thirty years. In particular, the wave of obesity that is spreading in the industrialized world and which says overweight or obesity, known as excess fat cells. However, these cells, the adipocytes are able to produce steroids, in particular natural estrogen… Pediatricians have indeed found that a gradual weight gain from an early age with a rebound in the corpulence curve around 3-4 years is very often responsible for early puberty in girls.”

     

     

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    I’ve read about glysophate residue being higher in whole meal bread because of farmers spraying cereals prior to harvesting to help dry the crop out (mentioned in fruitcakes article too).

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    To be honest I expect if we knew half of what is present in the food we buy and eat we would be absolutely horrified but, as Deboer intimated, would we just not buy anything? Probably not. It does bother me but I really don’t make enough changes in our diet to make any difference I would guess so I only have myself to blame if I am affected in any way. Mostly for us it comes down to economy, so then one could argue, what price do we put on our health? I try for us to eat as healthily as we can but I know full well that there must be amongst it some of that ‘contaminated’ with that which we have discussed.

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    Some of the glyphosphate problem could be down to the farmers when they see on the dosage instructions, 2cl of glyphosphate per 100cl of water. if 2 is good 4,6,8cl must be better.

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    You’re right Dom, but not if they are careful with money. We had this discussion with our local farmer, and as he find those pruducts expensive (he didn’t say if it was glyphosate), he made his own survey. The dosage was 12 something for I don’t know how many liters. He found out that 6 was as efficient as using 12. In that case I am really happy he’s careful with money. What will happen with the stocks he’s got when he can’t use them anymore, I’m not very optimistic, I can’t imagine him losing money for nothing :-(

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    Some of the glyphosphate problem could be down to the farmers when they see on the dosage instructions, 2cl of glyphosphate per 100cl of water. if 2 is good 4,6,8cl must be better.

    You are classifying farmers as being stupid ,Dom .

    Most farmers use the minimum of poisons , are very much against the use of herbicides and pesticides but have been put into a difficult position by the seed producers and politicians. Industrial farming is the culprit.

    There is a vast move from “conventional farming ” into organic farming at the moment , so vast in fact ,that the EU and French government underestimated the farming communities willingness to change and now have a problem paying the subsidies promised the farmers that make the change.

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    Not at all Deboer. It is just human nature. I’m sure that most folk have done similar. One of my farming neighbours used to give it away (full strength) to anyone nearby. Now he has to sign it out (quantity used)  every time he opens the barrel.

    The rest of your chat is very informative in that I had no idea about what was happening in large scale agriculture. :good:

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    Deboer wrote

    There is a vast move from “conventional farming ” into organic farming at the moment, so vast in fact ,that the EU and French government underestimated the farming communities willingness to change and now have a problem paying the subsidies promised the farmers that make the change.

    Well, that’s a step in the right direction, as long as subsidies aren’t reduced in the future, which I presume can happen?

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    The rest of your chat is very informative in that I had no idea about what was happening in large scale agriculture.

    Well thank you Dom .

    It’s just that the French farmers ( probably other EU farmers too ) get blamed from all sides for all sorts of things that are out of their control.

    Blamed by the environmentalists for polluting the water with their poisons is high on the list , but they are instructed to use the poisons by the ” specialists ” working for the Ch de Ag and the seed companies..

    Now they are getting blamed for being farmers that produce too much meat by the vegetarians, but they are forced to increase their stock levels to get the government subsidies that they need to exist.

    And all this just to be able to produce food that will give them a living too!

     

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    I wouldn’t want to be trying to make a living out of farming if our dairy farming neighbours are anything to go by, long hours, no holidays, out in all weathers and governed from all sides as to how they do it. I know it’s the farmers that use the products discussed but I am not putting the blame at their door necessarily. To a certain degree it’s us the consumers that are as much to blame, it’s all about supply and demand.

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    I agree , everyone wants cheap, cheap,cheap food but forget that at the other end of the chain , someone has to work all hours to produce the food . It’s the big supermarket chains that make the money  and they are always saying how “they ” are providing good and cheap food for the public .

    I got a mail from the DDT  ( they don’t actually send you a mail , they put it on “your” PAC site , CAP in English ) They were telling me that in 2016 , yes 3 years ago , I had made a mistake and declared one sheep too  many and that had been seen by the lady that came to count my sheep . so long as I didn’t do it again before 2020 , they wouldn’t penalise me . This is all these gentlemen do , their job , it’s no wonder more and more farmers are quitting and very few young people want to take up farming .

    So give the farmers a little leeway , they are hard pressed and it gets more difficult every year. :-)

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    In 2016, more than a third of French farmers, all varieties thereof, earned less than 350€ per month. And the rate of suicides among them is 20 – 30% higher than the average for the population as a whole, so yes, in general, they are having a hard time.

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    My friend an arable and dairy farmer died 3 years ago aged 50 due to the pressure of the life style he had. I miss the so and so. :-( Still stand by my 2cl is good so 4cl is better. Everyone does it.

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    Still stand by my 2cl is good so 4cl is better. Everyone does it.

    Your argument is not valid Dom .

    Everyone is a big word , perhaps it should be ” those that don’t understand what they are doing ” , do it. :-)

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    Just to pick up on a point you made earlier Deboer

    Now they are getting blamed for being farmers that produce too much meat by the vegetarians, but they are forced to increase their stock levels to get the government subsidies that they need to exist

    As I said before, besides the subsidies, it all comes back to supply and demand, the farmers cannot be blamed if more people buy meat than not, if consumers keep wanting it then they must keep supplying it.

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    Excuse me for continuing this discussion late.

    The point I am trying to make is that, all businesses/farms( especially small ones) have to make money or the owner cannot live. When consumers want cheaper and cheaper products , the small businesses/farms  fail to make enough money to live, so disappear . The only ones that will be left are the industrial farms that produce ” food” for the masses. These farms don’t worry about what is actually in the food so long as they make enough money to pay their shareholders who are quite often the same pharmaceutical  companies that produce the medicines that cure the food deficiencies , therefore the circle is round. Buying less but good products which are more healthy cuts this circle at many places. :-)

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    Still stand by my 2cl is good so 4cl is better. Everyone does it.

    Your argument is not valid Dom . Everyone is a big word , perhaps it should be ” those that don’t understand what they are doing ” , do it. :-)

    Correct Deboer a better choice of words.

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    I think you’ve probably summed it up to a T Deboer  :yes:

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