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    whitters
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    Morning All

    Just posted this on UiN and thought I would share. It’s the latest e-mail I have received from HMG with regard to Brexit.

    Step in the right direction ?

    New law proposed to safeguard UK citizens’ healthcare abroad after Brexit
    The Healthcare (International Arrangements) Bill has been introduced to give the government legal powers to fund and implement healthcare deals after Brexit.
    Published 26 October 2018
    From:
    Department of Health and Social Care

    The Bill seeks to safeguard healthcare for 190,000 expats and 50 million people who travel abroad every year, through agreements with the EU or member states.

    The Bill, brought before Parliament by Health Minister Jackie Doyle-Price, will establish the legal basis to fund and implement reciprocal healthcare schemes and share necessary data after we leave the EU.

    Reciprocal healthcare arrangements have benefits that include:

    reducing the cost of insurance
    making travel more viable for older people and high-risk groups
    providing a boost to the travel economy
    It will establish the basis for a new arrangement allowing the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) scheme to continue after 2020, subject to an agreement with the EU. EHIC grants UK nationals access to free healthcare abroad, and pays for 250,000 medical treatments each year.

    For the 190,000 expat state pensioners who have chosen to live in the EU and those intending to retire to the EU, it will help by safeguarding reciprocal healthcare if there is no EU deal.

    Lord James O’Shaughnessy said:

    Whether on holiday, working or retiring abroad, British people want to know they can access the same high quality healthcare that they enjoy in the NHS.

    This Bill will allow us to implement new healthcare arrangements with other countries – in the EU and elsewhere – so that UK citizens can travel with confidence.

    Have a great day

    Andy

     

     

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    #423483

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    Thank you for the info @andyw fingers crossed the bill is passed, it will put a lot of minds at rest for sure.

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    “Whether on holiday, working or retiring abroad, British people want to know they can access the same high quality healthcare that they enjoy in the NHS”

    Have you been to an NHS hospital recently, got sent to A and E with pains in my chest was told the waiting 6 hours, the receptionist said if I really felt unwell go out side collapse and a paramedic would give me faster service.

    This bill talks about negotiating individual arrangements with each EU country do they still not understand the EU negotiates as a block and why will it protect UK residents in the EU when what they require as pensioners is a system, similar to the S1

    Also will these arrangements have the same restrictions for UK expats when they return  to the UK for a visit.

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    #423497

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    Have you been to an NHS hospital recently,

    Yes, with no problems whatsoever. :unsure:

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    #423502

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    “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed” is ringing in my ears

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    So have I BE….they said initially in AandE that I had broken my back…then 5hours later that I had a pulmonary embolism…I had neither.

    they missed the completely obvious!

    meanwhile …whilst on a bed in A and E for 10 hours I knew absolutely everything about the nurses private lives.

    this was in the brand new ,state of the art hospital in Bromley.

    Sadly it depends totally on the area you fall ill in.

    i,m sure that’s true in Europe too…but please do not imagine that the nhs is perfect .

    i would rather be hospitalized in France than anywhere.

    although I prefer to stay outside all of them!

     

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    I have been admitted for emergency treatment to hospitals in Germany France and Spain and there were no queues and the service was first class, yet this could be because we were using our E111.

    In the UK there were only 18 people in the waiting area and some of those were supporting others.

    I left after 2 hours when there was not much movement, then had a heart attack when I got back to the car park and had to pay

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    But the NHS can’t be in trouble as in Selby it’s brilliant apparently…..

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    Guernsey hospital guys, as I’ve had experience of lately, with my father being hospitalised recently (and my experience, from a terrible motorbike accident years ago, plus the birth there of my three children and 2 grandchildren) are second to none.

    I was unfortunately in hospital for one night here in brittany. Worst night of my life….never ever want to be unfortunate enough to have to go to hospital over here. Scares the life out of me to be honest  :negative:

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    Oh dear buddy. I was taken to a hospital a bad fall, I was treated over night, and it was found I had two breaks in my arm. I was treated with great care and affection.  Two steel rods fitted too!!   Watched whilst  they were put in, not something I would do again! 🔨⛏

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    In France BV?

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    Guernsey must be better for hospitals than the bigger island of Jersey where Jersey people here tell me the French hospitals are better where they live in Brittany than Jersey hospitals. And any larger hospital cases may be sent over to Southampton, is that not the case for Guernsey?

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    Yes ‘wise guy, knit picker’…..gernsey hospital and Jersey hospital don’t have the facilities for cancer care, as I am well aware of after my father had cancer and had to go to Southampton, over Christmas and New year, a couple of years ago, but I’m not talking about that! I’m talking about general, over all care (including hospital food), is second to none. My night experience  in a French hospital was appalling

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    That was asking a question, not an invite to be downright rude on my observation. As for going to Southampton for Cancer I had no idea why they went to Southampton, or for what reasons, I was only told that in certain cases patients were sent to the mainland. As for “Yes ‘wise guy, knit picker” please keep sarcastic uncalled for replies to yourself, you have been told by others how rude you can be.

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    Jazzy sarcasm should be left to experts! ;-)

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    #423885

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    There are two people on here whose opinion is usually so at odds with the majority that I can only wonder in what sort of comatose state they live their lives.

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    Yes in France buddy.

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    Morning All

    Sorry about this.

    All I wanted to do was to pass on some information that others may have found of interest.

    It appears to have descended  into the usual slanging match.

    Don’t think I will bother again.

    Have a great day

    Andy

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    Don’t be put off Andy ,truthfully we can all do with being informed and yes there are often conflicts of personalities..just like life.

    we can only speak from personal experience…mine has been amazing in France .

    aftercare second to none…treatments that are just not given in the uk.

    knee replacement in the uk with little or no physiotherapy afterwards…as opposed to 15days in a centre specialised in rehab .here.

    thats personal experience…my husband had two knees replaced here…my sister one in the uk…no rehab. So she’s limping ..whilst my husband is walking normally..no pain.

    Its not Utopia …there are areas in France less well served..I’m sure.

    surely as the channel isles are part of the U.K. It would be normal for treatment to be in Southhampton?

    If you don’t have your health you have nothing..it’s the most important thing.

    We had private insurance in the uk…in the first years here we maintained it…after my first operation in France  and my experiences we cancelled and took out a mutuelle .

    I really hope an agreement will be reached to protect us  and to continue our use of the French system.

     

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    #423895

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    Yes, your input is appreciated Andy. Personally I have this compunction to counter what I feel to be patently provocative statements. Others seem happy to let them fly by over their heads but as far as I am concerned there is no point taking part in a discussion forum if this is allowed to happen.

    That said, on this particular site it has become extremely tedious and I am trying to train myself to stay away as otherwise it is all a little predictable and boring.  :-(

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    Trouble is while the agent provocateurs are allowed to ride roughshod all over the forum, name calling despite having been repeatedly warned it will put off people who could be making worthwhile contributions.

    I’m not in favour of heavy moderation but the few can really spoil it for the many too which is a shame.

    I tend to avoid the forum in the evenings now.

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    “pot calling the kettle black”   springs to mind for some reason! :wacko:

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    #423914

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    Does it really Tigre? Exactly the sort of comment I expected from you, you love to get your little digs at me in where you can, and exactly the sort of thing I was referring to in my post in it being off putting to others.

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    I always like to give an honest opinion, Jazzy.

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    Looking at four likes for Jazzy and her post, I doubt your remark will get any likes tigre (unless of course one of the persons she insinuated wants to agree with you?) So why say that when others are trying to say “enough”?

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    No wonder GOGIF forum went under!!

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    I was not being rude at all Roger. I feel that you are always trying to be better than anyone else on here, that’s my opinion!

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    Oh and sarcasm is very rude too! But that’s ok is it? One rule springs to mind

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    No wonder GOGIF forum went under!!

    Why? Because people tried to stop the sniping?

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    Jazzy, the reason for my post referring to the ” pot calling the kettle black” was because as I read it Paul had a rant about the NHS, he also asked if anyone had recently used the NHS, BE replied quite civilly, Marmite also posted to this, then for some reason your post about it was provocative/ sarcastic and unnecessary, deliberately having a pop at BE. Then later on you post complaining about ‘ provocateurs’ on the forum! :wacko:

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