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    I read that ” tommy robinson ” otherwise known  as stephen yaxley-lennon , is running for the European parliament !  What is happening people ? The UK voted to leave the EU and now they are organising European elections?

    It’s too crazy for words . :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

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    #473004

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    Not crazy – it’s the law, european law. As the UK is still a member of the EU it has to, by law, organise an election for the selection of MEP’s. In any case, looking in the crystal ball and at the the tea leaves etc, the UK won’t be leaving the EU and they cancelled the brexit ferry contracts – so no brexit I reckon.

    And if Tommy Robinson gets voted in as an MEP – that’s democracy. On the other hand, if he doesn’t get voted in, that’s also democracy!

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    Please don’t get me started on Tommy Robinson :whistle:

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    #473011

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    Never met the gentleman , cupcake , seems he is always in trouble , in one way or another ? :-)

    But Fitter ,if the UK government ignore the referendum , then surely there will be a few problems from the majority that voted to leave ?

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    #473064

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    Please don’t get me started on Tommy Robinson :whistle:

    He might be a rough diamond but there are many, many more dangerous people circulating in the UK than him – and they don’t make the front page of the Daily Mirror, they just carry on doing their dirty work with a common purpose in mind – but look eminently respectable on the outside.

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    #473121

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    Oh dear ! It’s not getting any better is it? :unsure:

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    #473176

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    Give us the vote!

    we earned the right to vote…not fair.

    all the British citizens who live abroad would change the outcome of any vote..

    we,re probably the most affected.

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    Spot on Marmite. The have people you have never met vote on your future when you don’t have the right to is absolutely disgusting. Cameron pledged to change it then said there wasn’t time. They’ve had plenty of time since then and still changed nothing.

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    I seem to recall the saying ‘No taxation without representation’, this being a building block of modern democracy. The opposite must also be true – ‘No representation without taxation’.If someone has moved from the UK and no longer pays Council Tax, etc, then they surely have no right to demand a vote in a country they are no longer part of. If the only connection with the UK is that you receive a State Pension then I would argue that this is no reason to expect a vote. What is frightening is that it has been said that if all expats had been allowed a vote then the Brexit decision would have been different. Why on earth should people who have left the UK and set up home in another country be allowed to vote on the future of the UK? Answers on a postcard, please.

     

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    “Why on earth should people who have left the UK and set up home in another country be allowed to vote on the future of the UK? ”

    Simply because in the case of the Brexit referendum, expats in the EU are or will be affected to a much greater degree than if they were living in the UK.

    And in my own case, I have savings and investments in the UK, as well as receiving pensions, so I reserve the right to have a say on what goes on there.

    I would also welcome having the choice of the right to vote in either French or UK national elections , which as a UK national I don’t get in France unless I were to acquire French nationality.

    As of 2006, 93 countries allowed their expatriate citizens to vote: 21 African countries, 13 countries in the Americas, 15 Asian countries, 6 Pacific countries, and 36 European countries.

     

     

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    #473368

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    Michael, every citizen of a nation regardless of where they choose to live should have the right to vote in their home country. Why should Brits who chose to emigrate to Australia twelve years ago have the right to vote on the UK’s membership of the EU, when Brit’s who chose to move into mainland Europe over fifteen years ago did not have that right. In or out of the EU is irrelevant to Brit’s who emigrate to Australia, yet to Brits living in mainland Europe its 100% relevant.

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    I agree with Micheal on this ( sorry chaps) .

    Most immigrants embrace the nationality of the country that they immigrate to . I feel that a lot of the UK immigrants in France have  just left the cities and built up countryside in the UK for a more spacious and relaxed life , not for the French or France. So , still see themselves as “Britanniques” having the right to vote in Britain. The reason that most British immigrants do not apply for French nationality is because they do not have the “necessary qualifications” to be able to do so . Dual  nationality is allowed in France, so makes no difference to the British nationality. Those that want to vote in France , just need to apply for French nationality , after Brexit , Brits won’t even be allowed to vote in local elections anymore. :-)

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    Why should Brits who chose to emigrate to Australia twelve years ago have the right to vote on the UK’s membership of the EU,

    The so called Commonwealth countries Brits were included in the vote , which is also pretty strange.

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    More Brits leave the UK to live abroad than any other nation in the EU. For some its a forever decision, for some its not regarded as permanent. A percentage of the people who don’t regard the move as permanent, who have had their rights rescinded, would probably have preferred for the UK to remain in the EU.

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    #473378

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    I,m British…I pay taxes in both countries…I should have the right to participate in a vote which directly affects me.

    as for taking on French citizenship it seems that many have lived in France for a long time and strangely have chosen now to take on French citizenship.

    i came to France as a European…freedom of movement and all that…as many young French people chose to live and work in the uk…same criteria.

    changing the rules …the very basic rules without giving those directly affected a say is totally unfair.

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    I personally have never voted, my opinion is, that it doesn’t matter who you vote for or which party, the MP or MEP will do exactly as they want, claim maximum expenses and as many jollies as they can get, I have always taken the view that you should look after yourself and your family, don’t rely on crooked politicians, because you will be waiting a very long time, take a look at the current situation regarding Brexit, the people voted to leave,the politicians are doing everything possible to avoid a Brexit, by any means fair or foul,

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    #473386

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    We we to forget that the UK is a parliamentary democracy, not a peoples democracy. Parliament is charged to act in both the best interests of the nation and its population. The UK has no constitution, no UK version of a bill of rights, referendums are purely advisory. The crunch is, leaving the EU is neither in the best interests of the nation or its population. 70% of Parliament knows this, its why its all such a mess, Parliament has to find a version of brexit that minimises the damage to the nation and its economy. Leaving the UK to live somewhere else in Europe is not emigrating, its exercising you right to free movement as a citizen of the European Union, its why we as British citizens living within the EU should have had the right to vote regardless of how long we have been living outside the UK but within the EU. The Scottish referendum was a proper referendum, not set up by Micky mouse. EU citizens resident in Scotland had the right to vote. I wonder how the EU referendum would have panned out if EU citizens resident in the UK had had the right to vote.

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    It does seem bizarre that a Frenchman who’s lived in the UK for 20 years has the right to vote in French elections when an Englishman who’s lived in France for 20 years can’t vote in UK elections.

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    Leaving the UK to live somewhere else in Europe is not emigrating, its exercising you right to free movement as a citizen of the European Union, its why we as British citizens living within the EU should have had the right to vote regardless of how long we have been living outside the UK but within the EU.

    You are, of course, quite right Futureman . So now , after Brexit , will the Brits be classed as immigrants ?

    Who made up the rules for the British referendum ? :-)

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    What is bizarre is a Frenchman resident in Scotland had the right to vote in the Scottish referendum, a referendum in which the Tories strenuously stated that a vote for independence meant leaving the EU. I wonder how the vote would have gone if they knew the UK was eventually going to leave anyway.

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    I think expats should have the chance to vote regardless of how long they’ve lived outside the UK, different UK Governments have different policies on things, they can bugger about with the State pension, changing  the rules on entitlement age etc, the UK also let expats still pay national insurance contributions, some benefits are also transportable, such as disability benefits, so it would be nice to have a say as to what Government you’d like to manage the money you’ve worked hard for and paid in, and some expats still have no choice on where they pay tax on certain income.

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    Just in case anybody wasn’t aware or doesn’t remember, before the 2016 referendum David Cameron said,

    “It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave.

    Your Decision.

    Nobody else’s.

    Not politicians.

    Not parliament.

    Not Lobby groups.

    Not mine.

    Just You.

    You the British people will decide.

    At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands.

    This is a huge decision for our country.

    Perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes.

    AND IT WILL BE THE FINAL DECISION.

    So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave would merely produce another stronger renegotiation, then a second referendum in which Britain could stay, I say think again.

    The renegotiation is happening right now.

    AND THE REFERENDUM THAT FOLLOWS WILL BE A ONCE IN A GENERATION CHOICE.

    An “IN” or “OUT” referendum.

    WHEN THE BRITISH PEOPLE SPEAK, THEIR VOICE WILL BE RESPECTED, NOT IGNORED.

    IF WE VOTE TO LEAVE, THEN WE WILL LEAVE.

    There will NOT BE ANOTHER renegotiation and another referendum.”

     

     

     

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    Cameron’s gone, what he said is irrelevant. Promises made by people who didn’t have the authority to make them are also irrelevant. The day the UK leaves is the day the big fight to get back in begins, and it certainly won’t take a lifetime.

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    Nigel Farage ,who expected to lose …said he would fight the results of the referendum tooth and nail..

    whats good for the goose!

     

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    We received our voting forms for the EU elections this morning. They went straight into the recycling bin. What’s the point of voting?

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    The following video shows Tommy Robinson having a very interesting conversation with a really nice young Muslim woman he met while campaigning in Bury.

     

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    “We received our voting forms for the EU elections this morning. They went straight into the recycling bin. What’s the point of voting?”

    Don’t ever complain about anything that gets done to you by the government then.

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    Ohhh, I won’t Bob. I ALWAYS vote but not this time in this election.

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    It’s a total waste of time but the UK is obliged to take part as we are “STILL” in the EU, so should May actually take us out in October, the MEP’s then have no job. Totally bonkers and as it stands the vile hypocrite, Farage is holding rallies in areas that were strong on Brexit and getting large crowds of supporters. If the two main parties don’t get their act together, the Brexit party will have more MEP’s, if only for a short spell…..

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    Bob, we are British, we always complain, even if we do not wish to participate in the voting, we still have the right to complain, that is a democracy.

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