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  • 24th November 2018 at 10:41 pm #432180

    ‘Excuse me? But I really don’t understand what you mean by buddylux???’
    From another thread, Pumpylux.
    Written by you.
    ‘Excuse me????’
    And you use the word ‘Please’ too often, Buddylux.
    Please try harder in your next reincarnation.
    Or just stay as yourself and not be so provocative.
    And just enjoy the friends that you would have here on Tom and Deb’s site.
    We would all prefer your friendship to arguments.
    I WAS rather rude to you as Buddylux, but that was then.
    Bin the obnoxious Buddylux and hello Pumpkin from all of us.

    25th November 2018 at 10:03 am #432228

    I also believe in Father Xmas and fairies .Sooner or later they end up mixed up in the treasury coffers with all the other taxes.

    Anonymous
    25th November 2018 at 11:35 am #432240

    Marine Le Pen tweeted that all those GJs wanting to protest in Paris should descend on the Champs Elysée, a place where protesters had been expressly denied the right to manifest by the prefecture, so if they turned up there not expecting trouble or confrontation with the police, then they hadn’t thought things through.

    Those who smashed shop windows, chucked cobbles and pushed down barriers weren’t protesting, they were there to wreak havoc and only succeeded in turning what could have been a successful protest into a sad reflection on an abnormal but thankfully small part of society, mostly right wing.

    25th November 2018 at 12:45 pm #432258

    Yes VK, the same morons who destroyed the péage the other ay.

    The protests around here at the roundabouts have been well mannered and well managed with people stopping to offer support and/or supplies for the ‘troops’.

    All very civilised.

    Anonymous
    25th November 2018 at 12:49 pm #432263

    Buddylux has also surfaced on another site I visit although I’ve yet to identify her mate. I’ll start visiting that one a little less now as well. Although life is very enjoyable it is fractious enough without being continually prodded by their innocent little jibes.

    25th November 2018 at 1:51 pm #432281

    Sadly it’s a fact of life that wherever there is a protest/demonstration, be it in France, UK or wherever, there is always a faction that will look upon it as an opportunity to wreak havoc because that is what they get a perverse ‘enjoyment’ from, often nothing whatsoever to do with the matter in hand, but unfortunately it is their actions that make the headlines and ultimately tar the orderly protesters with the same brush, taking away to a certain degree the relevance of the protest.

    25th November 2018 at 1:56 pm #432286

    Just an add-on to my previous post, and in response to BE’s wondering why it hasn’t been mentioned on here, actually, I think it was mentioned in a post because someone posted a map, so I think because we are all using the roads, and are all well aware of the gilets jaunes action there’s nothing more to say really, it’s part of life in France at the moment.

    25th November 2018 at 2:01 pm #432288

    A BBC report states that the trouble makers are made up of far- left and far- right wing supporters, and even those that once supported Macron. :unsure:

    25th November 2018 at 2:18 pm #432302

    On more reason these events have not made headlines in the discussions of this forum maybe that most people do not derive any satisfaction from it.

    25th November 2018 at 4:15 pm #432331

    Simple fact is diesel engines can be very dirty, PM10 particles cause cancer and nitrogen oxides are greenhouse gases, create acid rain and are harmful to health. As diesel was much cheaper in France lots of people have diesel powered cars. Raising tax on diesel is the only way to persuade people into using alternative sources of fuel.

    It is unpopular (who likes a tax rise?) but if the air we breathe is to be cleaned up then something must be done. Doing nothing to reduce air pollution is simply not an option unless you know of a spare planet we can all move to.

    Anonymous
    25th November 2018 at 4:22 pm #432334

    So those of us who have diesel run vehicles, can just afford to buy another vehicle?  :unsure:

    Anonymous
    25th November 2018 at 4:48 pm #432348

    Buddylux has also surfaced on another site I visit although I’ve yet to identify her mate. I’ll start visiting that one a little less now as well. Although life is very enjoyable it is fractious enough without being continually prodded by their innocent little jibes.

    Even if you do think I am buddylux, (which I’m not), I can assure you, me as in Pumpkin only uses this site. Hope that makes sense!  :unsure:

    25th November 2018 at 4:52 pm #432352

    Interesting statistic here.
    The percentage share of new passenger cars in Europe with diesel engines in 2016, showed that France had decreased since 2013 when the percentage was 66% down to 52% in 2016. Conversely, Italy was going the other way round, with sales increasing from 54% in 2013 to 57% in 2016. The countries with the highest proportions of diesel fueled passenger car sales in 2013 were Portugal, Ireland, and Luxembourg, all with over 70%.
    This makes for interesting comparisons
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/425113/eu-car-sales-share-of-diesel-engines-by-country/

    Wish I could fill up my banana mobile with diesel in Egypt. My 40 liter tank would cost 3.56 euros to fill   :cry:

    25th November 2018 at 5:06 pm #432359

    Not to mention that not long ago we were being to buy diesel ,many vans and builders trucks are diesel ,likewise farm vehicles .

    25th November 2018 at 5:32 pm #432378

    Talk about putting things into perspective though,  about 80% of an average days wages is needed to buy a gallon of fuel (petrol in this case) in India.

    Anonymous
    25th November 2018 at 5:46 pm #432385

    Simple fact is diesel engines can be very dirty, PM10 particles cause cancer and nitrogen oxides are greenhouse gases, create acid rain and are harmful to health.

    Not entirely true; see this article. Petrol emissions are more damaging to the atmosphere and play a role in climate change (they generally produce more carbon dioxide), whereas older diesel engines produce more health-damaging emissions, such as nitrous oxide and nitrous dioxide.

    The verdict from the article linked above is:

    For most cars built over the past 20 years that may still be in use, petrol is likely to be less polluting overall than diesel. Petrol cars also require less maintenance to keep them performing at that level. But new, well maintained diesel cars, built to the latest standards have similar emissions to new petrol vehicles.

    The problem with the current insistence on changing the number of older vehicles on the road, at least in France, is that, even with the updated prime à la conversion of 4000€ in the right circumstances, many people cannot afford to make up the difference without taking on additional loans or credit schemes. If you only earn 1500€ per month, for example, your outgoings are roughly the same as someone who earns, say, 3000€ per month, but your disposable income is much less. That’s where the balance needs to be made, by decreasing the taxes on lower income earners and increasing them for the higher income earners; unfortunately, while that would be a public victory, it could be a political suicide.

    26th November 2018 at 11:42 am #432602

    To even up the reportage two journalists have written about their experiences in Paris ,don’t know how to cut and paste from FB but their names are Gérard Bardy and Véronique Pidarcer-Battiére.Not quite want Macron wants to read.

    26th November 2018 at 4:35 pm #432691

    VK wrote:

    The problem with the current insistence on changing the number of older vehicles on the road, at least in France, is that, even with the updated prime à la conversion of 4000€ in the right circumstances, many people cannot afford to make up the difference without taking on additional loans or credit schemes.

    I hope they don’t make us change our old ones (24 and 14 yrs old) we’d never be able to afford another!

    Anonymous
    26th November 2018 at 5:29 pm #432701

    I hope they don’t make us change our old ones (24 and 14 yrs old) we’d never be able to afford another!

    If they keep getting through the controle technique without too much work, I don’t think it will ever come to insisting you change them. I do wonder if that’s why the CT was made more complicated, not necessarily to improve safety on the roads but to discreetly force people to change for something more modern and less polluting.

    26th November 2018 at 7:18 pm #432742

    To even up the reportage two journalists have written about their experiences in Paris ,don’t know how to cut and paste from FB but their names are Gérard Bardy and Véronique Pidarcer-Battiére.Not quite want Macron wants to read.

    Indeed – copy and paste here:-

    Message from gérard bardy
    After protest…
    “I needed a recovery time before I could write this chronicle, so much as I heard and seen on the x-Rays and Tvs of “continuous info” last night plunged me into stupor and anger.
    Holder of my journalist card for over 40 years, I felt both pain and shame!
    How can we ignore facts and make up reality? Why? To whom?
    Like the previous Saturday, I accompanied the “Yellow vests” for eight hours, this time in Paris, from 15th ar to the champs elysées through the field of Mars, trocadero and Charles de gaulle square.
    In the middle of 5.000 to 6.000 “Yellow vests” from all over France, I have not witnessed any (none) words or violent acts, nor heard any (none) racist or homophobic insult! We sang the marseillaise at least 50 times. In their window, by hundreds, parisians applauded us. And the motorists were very many to honk by waving a yellow vest.
    That’s the truth.
    Faced with this part of the people of France suffering, Mr. Macron and his minister of the interior, Castaner, had the answer only to add lie and manipulation to their contempt and incompetence.
    1) why did the champs elysées remain open with so many moved or flammable materials on the road?
    2) Why, at 10 am, did the interior minister M Castener make a telephone call to the radio and television editors to support that the 100 thugs were ultra-right activists?
    3) why were these thugs left free and able to break and burn at 16 pm again? (at 17 pm, place of the star, I saw a black-colored breaker dressed, with his gas mask and backpack, joining the front of the clashes without being controlled by the crs)
    4) why does president macron, in his tweet, express his shame (he is right) without distinguishing the “Yellow vests” from the thugs?
    I conclude that power has, at least, promoted the action of the thugs to discredit the “Yellow vests” and their claims.
    It’s just disgusting. And journalists who have been complicit have seriously undermined the credibility of their profession”

    (I couldn’t find any reference to the other journalist you mentioned)

    I think we can see better through the fog of the protests now – on the basis of this report the Macron government is no longer credible.

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