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    The third world has had enough of the first world dumping their waste on them , read about the garbage on it’s way back to Canada .

    We are all to blame , flush it or put it in the waste bag/bin and expect it to be “looked after” by big brother .

    But if you look at the news , what is important ? In the same breath ” the end of the world” , football , the royal family and anything that happens at Westminster.

    So many lies about what really happens , not many that care , so long as their mundane lives continue without disturbance ?

    What a beautiful day today , a bit hot but otherwise ok ?

    end of rant , have a lovely weekend :yahoo:

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    They are known collectively as the “Global South”, read about the global waste trade here

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_waste_trade

     

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    I personally find football exciting and sheep, mega boring.

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    Don’t blame them one bit Deboer. Hooray for raising this issue too, not sure it will interest many on this forum though, except for the tree hugger types 😂

    We offload all our dirty waste to the developing world and congratulate ourselves for reaching recycling targets etc when all we’ve done is shift the toxic waste elsewhere. Meanwhile the consumer is made to feel guilty about using cotton buds etc when the real big problem is with industry who has gone supa douper plastic wrapping mad to the point where it’s impossible to buy anything for the house, garden or to eat without some plastic packaging being involved.

    I believe some decades ago a biodegradable plastic was developed which was rejected by industry. The only way industry is going to be forced to look for alternatives is being forced to by governments, but as governments are heavily lobbied by industry whose only interest is the cheapest thing to maximize shareholder profits, that’s not looking likely anytime soon. Not sure what the answer is but we need one soon. Our generation has pretty much f***d the planet up for the next generation.

    If anyone doesn’t believe that then perhaps it’s time to wake up and smell the roses while they’re still around to appreciate….

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    Agree with you Jazzy. We can only do our best, but nearly impossible to avoid plastic without a law on the industry.

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    I burn all the small amount of plastic I finish up with. Better than killing wildlife through them eating it.

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    Surely everyone that lives on this planet would be interested in a topic about the ruination of it, we’re all guilty of  contributing towards it in varying degrees but nowhere near as much as industry.

    Btw I never quite know what exactly qualifies as a tree hugger, can anyone enlighten me? :unsure:

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    Btw I never quite know what exactly qualifies as a tree hugger, can anyone enlighten me?

    “An environmental campaigner”. I think you can respect and protect nature without hugging the trees. I’m not sure they appreciate it, nore the ones who are living on the tree itself  :scratch:

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    What a beautiful morning here.

    Shearing was done on Thursday by a nice young Spaniard from Pampalona aided by a young gentleman from Ghana , so how’s that for bio-diversity?

    I agree with Tigre’s photo , sheep and football go together well . You should see our ” lamb run ” , when the young ram lambs all run together up and down hills and across the field , just like young men do .

    We compare our flock with humanity and there are very many similarities, and BTW Pete , sheep are far from boring . :yes: :yes:

    I agree with Fruitcake , everyone SHOULD be interested in the environmental destruction . We won’t destroy the planet , just our little niche , and then the next level of life will fill the gap ( probably insects ) So yes, as Jazzy said “smell the roses” while you can , or otherwise said ” so long and thanks for all the fish”

    We are (Jen and myself ) ” tree huggers” it is a derogatory name given to those that prefer nature to industrialism.

    My point was , that watching the news on TV , the topics go seamlessly from very important to useless information . Football I know is a very important topic for the masses but the way the News treats Extinction Rebellion as being a ” nuisance ” and then carries onto the difficulties that football fans are having in getting to Madrid is quite amazing ( at least for me ) :-) :-)

     

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    Btw I never quite know what exactly qualifies as a tree hugger, can anyone enlighten me?

    “An environmental campaigner”. I think you can respect and protect nature without hugging the trees. I’m not sure they appreciate it, nore the ones who are living on the tree itself :scratch:

    Babeth , looking at your beautiful photos , I think you can be put in the ” tree hugger” category :yes:

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    The fact of the matter is that the way our societies have developed we need industrialisation. Not picking on anyone on this site here but :-

    We all use electricity and no matter where it comes from pollution will be caused.

    Lady’s makeup etc. causes pollution and plastic waste.

    Men’s shorts! Why do you need a plastic bag to take them home in? Even a bag for life causes waste in the end.

    I need a car. As do most folk on here for their life style.

    Farmers need their equipment from tractors to sheep shearers.

    Market traders need transport and their stalls with plastic roofs and so it goes on.

    Personally I don’t think even going vegan and sitting in dark, cold houses because we are saving on energy production would be very popular.

    I do remember walking around the UK up on the moors etc in the old days and you knew that the odd paper fertiliser sack would soon become rotten and rejoin nature. Plastic bags for fertiliser, lord help us!

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    Quite agree with all that Radon.

    Many so-called tree huggers are hypocrites and the champion of them all in France is Nicolas Hulot, broadcaster, journalist, writer and until recently minister for the environment , or whatever the fancy name was given to his tree hugging post. He resigned a few months back and definitely lost the respect of the majority when it was revealed he owned (and used) no less than SIX petrol/diesel driven vehicles !!!

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    Tanzania banned single use plastic bags today, Rwanda and Kenya have already done so. What possible excuse can the rest of the world have for not doing the same?

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    My point was , that watching the news on TV , the topics go seamlessly from very important to useless information . Football I know is a very important topic for the masses but the way the News treats Extinction Rebellion as being a ” nuisance ” and then carries onto the difficulties that football fans are having in getting to Madrid is quite amazing ( at least for me )

    I just came in to see who would come back with ” we can’t change ”

    If the people of this planet do not listen and act to what nature and the environment is telling them , then they  and their children , will suffer the consequences.

    I personally don’t really mind . It will be a lesson learnt , as should have been learnt a long time ago but humans don’t seem to learn unless it hurts.

    Again , we are sheep being led by the media , hurray for circus , it keeps the young rams happy. It used to be better when the young men of a generation got slaughtered, as do all young rams in a flock . :whistle:

     

     

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    Babeth , looking at your beautiful photos , I think you can be put in the ” tree hugger” category

    Maybe, but I don’t like to be put in any “category”. I’m doing my best on a daily basis, always trying to find second hand things if possible, but certain things are a no no. I’m using a car, where I could cycle to work when the weather is fine, but I’m not ready to die yet, hit by an other car. And my camera was brand new and made of platic too :-(   , but I enjoying it so much, makes me walk a lot and meditate about all the fragile world that surounding us. We are going to print out some of my pictures at work, during the summer holidays, to show the kids a close look at insects. Hope they will enjoy them and won’t giving them nightmares !

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    Well, I’m still not sure if I fall into the category of tree hugger or not, I think most probably not. I very much appreciate nature, make sure I plant all plants to encourage the bees, encourage birds into the garden, recycle all that I can, take my own bags to the supermarket, use white vinegar for all sorts of things instead of chemicals, etc, however, I drive a car, I travel by plane and lots of things we own are made of plastic. I just hope that all the little things I do help the smaller picture, even if I don’t have too much impact on the bigger picture but my belief is if we all worked on our own smaller picture then perhaps eventually we would have some impact on the bigger one.

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    I don’t like being put into a category either Babeth/Fruitcake  , it’s other people that do that for you .

    I find environmentally  aware a better description . There are an enormous number of people that don’t know or care about the environment and lead their lives as though nature is there for humans and always will be . If everyone looked after their own little part of the world ………. but I think it is too late. I hope to live long enough to see what happens . :-)

    Which kids are you going to show your photos to Babeth ?

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    I’m working in a social center Deboer, where part of it is to look after kids during their holidays (from 5 communes). My colleagues are always trying to entertain them with things that can open their mind a bit (éducation populaire !). As there is always a theme on nature, this is the occasion to stick my pics on a wall, and you never know, could make some of them starting to have a closer look at them in the real. This is the nice thing regarding my job, to be able to participate not only with figures !

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    Sounds like fun B.

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    Yes Pete, because I’m not looking after the kids, my colleague are much better than me for this job ;-)

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    the emphasis has been put on recycling/reusing plastic but it’s still being produced :scratch:

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    Yes koat it’s the start of the chain that needs fixing more than anything.

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    I personally think the public, governments, industry are not going to be willing to stomach the changes required. The capitalist system which hinges on consumption and GDP needs to change and I don’t think that’s happening anytime soon. There just simply isn’t the will. No matter how eco we personally try to be ultimately we are still slaves to the Capitalist machine and are reliant on its structures.

    Like the Easter Islanders who stripped their own island of resources we will end up stripping the planet of resources until it will cause our own downfall.

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    Exactly.  There’s no point in accusing the end users of needlessly polluting the planet when we are not the ones taking barges full of garbage out to sea to dump it or sending it abroad for “processing”.  Find renewable alternatives to plastics or develop plastics that biodegrade instead.  Then legislate against the manufacturers who don’t adopt the better ways.  I’m the first one to slag of the Americans but having lived there from birth to age 23 I never saw a plastic bag full of groceries from a supermarket.  They always used strong brown paper bags.  They rarely ripped and do biodegrade.   I heard someone recently (on TV) that government should encourage the use of electric cars.  That assumes everyone has the income of an MP and can afford one.  The rest of us are at the mercy of a hopelessly scarce and expensive public transport system.  Industry outsources manufacturing to Asia to maintain profits.  Fine if you support job losses locally and don’t give a damn about pollution caused by aircraft.   I know people that regularly travel around Europe for under £20 with Ryanair, etc.  Anyone realise that air travel burns fossil fuel by the tonne for non-essential travel?  Government tax motor fuel heavily when people have no option but to use private cars but allow international travel at ridiculously cheap prices.

    For a solution to the problem you need to look further up the food chain.        Don’t get me started on food air miles.  :unsure:

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    But if you look at the news , what is important ? In the same breath ” the end of the world” , football , the royal family and anything that happens at Westminster.

    Isn’t life wonderful ?

    Something that I hear very often as Shapeshifter says “There’s no point in accusing the end users of needlessly polluting the planet when we are not the ones taking barges full of garbage out to sea to dump it or sending it abroad for “processing”.

    Whose garbage ?

    So whom should we blame ? Those that are appointed ” leaders” in our so called  ” democracy ” ? or those that vote in, the same leaders?

    WE are to blame , and if you can’t see that , then you are blinder than those that make the laws .

    Stop using ” one use plastic”  refuse to be part of the consumption society .

    Do your bit , or just sit back and watch as it all falls apart .

    Tree hugger, moi ?      yes  always have been , always will be .

    I hope your Saturday was as fruitful and satisfying as mine ?

     

     

     

     

     

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    I’m assuming you don’t have a woodburner ?

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    Why ?

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    or put another way ,

    why do you assume that we don’t heat our house with wood ? :-)

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    Just wondered.

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