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    My 50 yr old daughter was telling me that every single night she is woken 3 or 4 times with leg cramps, which prompted me to ask her if she takes enough salt in her diet. As seems to be a current trend, brought about by the coverage given to a healthy diet to prevent heart and other diseases, she never cooks with salt and avoids adding any to her food. My personal opinion is that our bodies need a certain amount of salt to function properly, as it does a certain amount of fat. There is so much hype about what we should and shouldn’t eat and I am all for eating as healthily as we can, but it can be taken to the extremes and then it has an adverse effect on our health.

    My daughter doesn’t buy any ready meals for the family so is not getting the ‘bad’ salt from those but I worry that she isn’t getting the ‘good’ salt either, such as sea salt or Himalayan salt. A good and healthy diet is all about balance I believe.

    I await her reply about the salt!

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    Fruitcake, I wonder if your daughter is suffering from ‘ restless leg syndrome’, It’s something I’ve battled with for years, I’m often woken up with aching/ cramp like pain in my left leg predominantly, but sometimes my right leg, if I flex my foot, a bit like how they tell you to do on a long haul flight to avoid getting DVT, it helps enormously, sometimes though, I have to resort to taking an Ibuprofen for the pain.

    Is she drinking enough fluids during the day? As for the salt, I quite agree, everything in moderation, but yes it could be a factor to her problem.

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    As tigre says, everything in moderation! I put salt onto chips, boiled and scrambled eggs.

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    is not getting the ‘bad’ salt from those but I worry that she isn’t getting the ‘good’ salt either, such as sea salt or Himalayan salt.

    I’m sorry, but salt is salt. Sodium chloride. It doesn’t matter where it comes from. Sea salt or salt from other sources may contain small amounts of trace elements that we need. Forget the salt. We can get those trace elements in real food. Salt kills 1.5 million people a year worldwide.

    Our bodies need a small amount of salt, and insufficient can cause problems, but the average person who eats a moderate amount of processed food is probably getting all they need. A small amount in water to cook vegetables may be OK, but the salt pot on the table should be thrown into the bin.

    Salt is used as a flavour enhancer. It brings out the flavour of things that really have no taste. We have become so accustomed to having salt that even things that have real flavour taste bland without it. Take away the salt, and within a fortnight our taste buds will return to normal and good food will taste good again.

    You want some shocking news? The food we eat is the greatest cause of death and illness worldwide. The main culprits – salt, sugar and fat.

    Now listen to this. It may change your life. It may even save it. Cick here

    If you must have salt on your chips, die fat and earlier than you would without either!

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    I’ve heard a banana is good for curing restless leg syndrome :unsure:

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    I add salt to absolutely nothing, and don’t get cramp.Even bottled water has sodium in it,so you are bound to get a certain amount in your diet.

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    I do have half a banana daily on my breakfast cereal, Gleaner, thanks for the info though, I’ll look in to it.

    JD, some people on a low sodium diet that take certain drugs such as diuretics, can suffer with symptoms such as leg cramps.

     

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    Salt is not bad for you, sugar is not bad for you, saturated fat is not bad for you. Add the word “excessive” however and…………!

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    Salt is not good for you, sugar is not good for you, saturated fat is not good for you.

    Anything more than a small amount is bad for you. Once the word excessive is introduced, replace the word bad with dangerous. Eat, drink and be merry dead.

    Tigre, I can’t argue with you because I’m not an expert, but I see that diuretics are used to treat several conditions including heart failure, high blood pressure, liver disease and some types of kidney disease.  Sodium is, of course, one of the major contributing factors in high blood pressure and heart disease.

    Symptoms of hyponatremia (low sodium level in the blood) can be absent, mild or severe. Mild symptoms include a decreased ability to think, headaches, nausea, and poor balance. I haven’t found any reference in any scientific reports to cramps being caused by low salt. Severe symptoms can include death!

    When taking any medication, you should seek medical advice.

    Has anyone, especially BE, listened to the Radio 4 programme that the link in my previous post takes you to?

     

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    Good morning all, a brief visit before my day starts in earnest

    Firstly a deficiency in salt, magnesium or potassium can all be a likely cause of leg cramps (probably why a banana is good as it contains potassium)

    Secondly, in reply to your question JD, yes I did listen to the link and it told me nothing that I and probably many others didn’t already know. I think most of us these days are well informed enough to know that processed foods contain all sorts of cra rubbish, including salt, fat, sugar and of course carbohydrates. I have to monitor our intake of all those elements very carefully both because of Mr. F.’s diabetes and both our hearts.

    I imagine if we daily ate processed food we would intake a, possibly, life-threatening amount of these elements, my daughter rarely eats anything processed (nor do we)

    Britchick I wasn’t suggesting and didn’t suggest that anyone who doesn’t eat much salt would get cramps, I was merely airing a question of a possibility in my daughter’s case.

    I will continue later, I have an appointment for an X-ray but will end by saying my daughter has decided it may be because she wears flip flops all the time  :unsure:

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    One BBC article from 2012 about cramps. Like BE, I have salt on chips.

    JD, you said: “You want some shocking news? The food we eat is the greatest cause of death and illness worldwide. The main culprits – salt, sugar and fat.” So should we stop eating? Mr and Mrs Fruitcake have arrived at the ages of 80 and something less respectively and, from photos I have seen, I wouldn’t describe them as fat, so they haven’t died fatter or earlier. As you say, you’re not an expert, and we all have our own layman’s ideas, not necessarily better or worse than others.

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    You can eat, drink and be merry or, if you want to, eat parsimoniously, leave alcohol alone and be as miserable as sin. We all die! Every day in every paper that I read online there is yet another diet craze or yet another cause of a fatal disease. All I can say is bring it on!

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    As you say, you’re not an expert, and we all have our own layman’s ideas

    VK, I try to avoid ‘layman’s ideas’ by seeking scientific or statistical evidence. I think that this is obvious from what I have already said. If you haven’t seen that in my postings, you haven’t read them properly. I never once suggested that we should stop eating. Those are your words. The point I have been making is that we should eat sensibly, although it seems that common sense is not so common after all.

    And where on Earth did BE drag that word parsimoniously from? In my first post I talked about good food. As for alcohol, BE brought it up. Shouldn’t have drunk so much  :yahoo:   There’s only one thing better than a glass of nice wine – two glasses! And I had a few drinks with friends last night in a local bar. May be back there again tonight. In fact I must as I left a parsimonious bar bill unpaid. I know we all die, but it seems silly putting a notice on the door inviting it to come sooner than we would have hoped for. I haven’t got time to be miserable – far too many things yet to accomplish. As for miserable as sin, I thought that a bit of sin could be fun, or so Madame Whiplash told me  :yes:

    And now that we seem to have got away from the idea that low salt causes cramp, I can confess that in recent times I have woken up a few times with terrible cramp. I can’t take Ibuprofen or any anti-inflammatory pain killers because of the one and only medication I take, but I do find that stretching the muscles in my legs eases the pain.

    Must go – it’s lunchtime.

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    Why do most posts on here end up in at least one person getting twitchy? Fruitcake I was commenting on my experience,not judging your views/ comments. BE and John  Doe seem to be at permanent odds with eachother. It all makes for uncomfortable reading.

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    Good afternoon folks apologies for a half-written posting this morning, now where was I? ….

    Britchick I personally wasn’t being twitchy, just clearing up a point really. Sorry if it came over in that way. I think you have to understand JD’s and BE’s senses of humour – well they often make me chuckle anyway!

    Well, reading back over all the posts I’m pleased to see that for once we are all in agreement, a little of what you fancy may not necessarily do you good but in moderation it may not do you much harm either, which is more or less what I’ve said from the beginning. The salt thing was just a muse on my part to do with cramp. (I haven’t got away from it JD, I posted this earlier, which is information found by research and not my own laymen’s ideas)

    Firstly a deficiency in salt, magnesium or potassium can all be a likely cause of leg cramps (probably why a banana is good as it contains potassium)

    Just as an aside did you know that the triglycerides in wine turn to fat and sugar? We don’t drink any alcohol but we have just eaten fish with oven chips to which I added some salt and ate with tomato ketchup so have probably had a couple of days worth of salt today, however, it will balance out over the week. As I said it’s all a question of balance.

    My dad used to always say “Moderation in all things my girl is the answer”, often just before he blew his false teeth out or fell over backward trying to take a photo after having one too many!! (Oops two exclamation marks)

    Oh, and the X-ray showed no dislocation in my jaw so all good.

    Edit – meant to thank VK for the link to help understand cramp causes and JD for his to clarify that we are all the better for eating as healthily as we can. Also meant to say that the reason my daughter even mentioned the cramp in a very tongue in cheek fashion was because she’d read that it happens more as we get older, having not long go turned fifty her remark was “I didn’t sign up for age-related problems when I turned 50! Is this what I have to look forward to?”

     

     

     

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    BE and John  Doe seem to be at permanent odds with each other.

    Absolute rubbish. Not you, BC. That’s what BE writes. And I respond in kind. He is often taken the wrong way by others, who sometimes say nasty things to him. He tries to explain it all away by saying it was a joke. When he told his friends he was thinking of becoming a comedian, they all laughed at him. They’re not laughing now.

    He’s from Yorkshire, you know, (echos of “He’s from Barcelona”), so he can’t help it. Trouble at t’mill, and that kind of thing.  I think he is working class, and he probably went to a secondary modern school. It’s incurable! I’m from Leeds which is in , well ….. Yorkshire.

    we have just eaten fish with oven chips to which I added some salt and ate with tomato ketchup so have probably had a couple of days worth of salt today

    Couple of days’ worth. Sounds more like a week’s supply. I seriously think you need a couple of glasses of wine to flush it all away.

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    When you sweat, you excrete salt. If you do not replace it you will die fullstop.

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    No can do JD, will just have to drink more water and keep my fingers crossed!  :yes:

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    JD

    I find BE to be an interesting and valued contributor to this site. He is clearly a man proud of his roots and he is entitled to be. I do not always agree with his points of view though.

    To get personal and make assumptions about another member is I think getting close to being out of order and is not why I use this site.

    If you cannot be at least neutral about another poster, perhaps you are mistaking this site for another one that no longer exists?

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    At least on a forum you can’t get assaulted! ( sorry, couldn’t resist).

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    I do not eat sugar or salt, plus only a small amount of butter . I’ll let you know. There are a lot of young ladies up here who are bigger than me . But I cook , and don’t often do take aways!

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    Cawas I think JD was posting with his tongue quite firmly stuck in his cheek, well it’a how I interpreted it anyway and I would hope that I am right. He and BE quite like rubbing each other up the wrong way and having a ‘pop’ at each other, both Yorkshire men you see – that probably explains a lot  ;-)

    Mind you they’re a tough lot up there, which is just as well as the nails sticking out of JD’s hands would no doubt cause extreme pain to BE whilst rubbing him up the wrong way (you do know JD that rubbing salt on any wounds the nails make, though it might sting, will clean them a treat?)  :whistle:

    (btw my like on JD’s post was for his comment to me)

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    Thanks FC, I am pleased to hear it. Sorry JD.

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    FC got it in one. I have no intention of offending anyone. No apologies necessary.

    As for salt, the more you sweat, the less you give off salt. You do not die. It’s a fallacy that you need to take salt tablets in hot climates.  Listen to the link to Radio 4. The fact that the English football team were given salt in the World Cup some years ago may have led to there failure to progress. The more salt they took , the more they needed water, so they were weighed down with excess water. Or maybe they were just not good enough!

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    OK no more replies to John Doe’s meanderings from me.

    Compare my reply to this totally unwarranted tirade.

    Absolute rubbish. Not you, BC. That’s what BE writes. And I respond in kind. He is often taken the wrong way by others, who sometimes say nasty things to him. He tries to explain it all away by saying it was a joke. When he told his friends he was thinking of becoming a comedian, they all laughed at him. They’re not laughing now.

    He’s from Yorkshire, you know, (echos of “He’s from Barcelona”), so he can’t help it. Trouble at t’mill, and that kind of thing. I think he is working class, and he probably went to a secondary modern school. It’s incurable! I’m from Leeds which is in , well ….. Yorkshire.

    So who is the miscreant here? :unsure:

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    If you drink bottled water just keep an eye on the magnesium (Mg) and sulphate (SO4) figures. This is Epsom salts, used in the “good old days” as a laxative. Quite a few years ago on holiday in Cleder Simone and I were drinking bottled water like nobody’s business because of the heat. Anne does not drink bottled water. After a day both Simone and I had horrendous diarrhoea, Anne didn’t. I looked at the label on the bottled water and it was high in Mg and SO4.

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    BE, I laugh at your jokes. You could at least have a chuckle at mine.

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    I’ve just spotted an error in my post at 10:01 yesterday. “… may have led to there failure to progress” should have said “their failure”. I’m  normally so careful about such things. Surprised no-one spotted it. Just shows that I can make mistakes. No-one is prefect!

    I spent most of the day yesterday in the garden, cutting overhanging branches and thinning out trees, then mowing the lawn. Because of the bits thrown out by the chainsaw, then stones and muck thrown up by the mower, I wore overalls. I was sweating like a pig, and my T-shirt was soaking wet when I stopped for lunch, so I took it off. When I finally called it a day at 7pm, the T-shirt was still wet. Didn’t take any salt tablets, but went to the local French bar for a few beers to re-hydrate myself.

    Will spend part of today cutting the branches into smaller, more manageable sizes, and moving them into the field ready for a fire sometime soon when they have dried out.

     

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    Just before we came out to Brittany I found a tub of Saxa salt in one of my kitchen cupboards. It was priced in decimal money but had a 1/2p in the price. So that tub had been there since before December 1984 when the decimal 1/2p was taken out of circulation.

    When in charge of kitchens I never added salt but it was always available at the table. I increased the clientele at Wetherells store in Selby when folk with blood pressure, kidney and liver problems found out that no salt was added during cooking. Good for their health.

    I am appalled when watching TV cookery shows to see so called chefs throwing liberal amounts of salt onto a dish without even tasting it first. They glibly say that they are seasoning it. No, they are salting it.

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