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    The wolf sanctuary has a wonderful walk with signs telling the story of a family of wolves that lived there, really atmospheric and the surroundings along with the story make it seem likely that they could still be out there secretly going about their lives.  Maybe it is not so unlikely now.  It is incredibly sad that they were so persecuted. I agree they are hugely misaligned and feel very happy that they may be making a return to their natural habitat.

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    Not just in the woods!

    “August 2018:  Predation and likely scavenging in the town of Pontivy”

    Near the bottom of this page.

    Septembre 2018: Le retour du Loup en Bretagne…

     

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    The risk to Humans and domestic animals is very little and as previously mentioned there is more risk from dog attacks than wolf who try and keep their distance from humans.

    These wolves-this wolf if it is true will more than likely travelled up from the pyranees through the tarn and across the massif central and up through Limousin which would be the way across france offering the maximum amount of cover.

    If one or a couple have managed to get to brittany the poor creatures will be very stressed as they would of been aiming for other mountainous or wild terrain.

    There have been a few wolf sitings in the jura over the last couple of years as well as some in the chartreuse but both areas are not far from their most populated part of france in the lower alps.

    I was chatting with an old farmer down in Lozere about a month ago and he was saying that nothing had been said locally by the authorities or the parc de loup du gevaudan,but it was said locally ( in the monts d ‘ aubrac) that a few of the mongolian wolves had escaped through the gate from the bridget bardot enclosure just outside the parc itself.

    One of my main passtimes as many people here will know is tracking wolf around europe , though more often down in the national park of mercantour in south east France where there are now a few family packs living in the wild.

    A Lone wolf or a couple may travel upto 100kms a day so there is a stronger chance they have got lost from where they want to be and It is rare for a pack to travel such long distances,though certainly a distinct possibility as persecution from “les bergers” and the hunt is becoming much more common and these beautiful animals are just trying to find a spot of land to live on and do their thing,which is becoming much harder as people see land being far more important as a way of making money,rather than a place for nature to be. There is something so morally wrong and ignorant about this attitude !!!! There is room for us all to co-inhabit.

    Anyhow,from someone who has spent,still spends and will continue to spend a lot of time out in the middle of national parks throughout the night and in all seasons in the company of wolves and having had many sitings even close up by torchlight,I assure you that they are much more scared of you than you are of them,even if my mum would argue this !!

    Left alone they-it will find their-its way back to its own kind in the higher regions. There is plenty of food available to them out in the countryside so attacks on farm animals or domestic are not high on their agenda as it takes them into mans territory and that means risk of dog and gun attacks and the wolf is far from stupid when it comes to survival.

    If they have accidently got to brittany I cross everything in hope and wish them safe passage back to lands where they may find comfort to be what they are.

    Love and light to all

    Jamie xx

     

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    Just as a quick mention too is that a couple of the carcasses in the photo’s shown in fitters post ( no offence meant to you fitter ) are quite different to carcasses I have seen after wolves have fed in other areas. The carcass is normally stripped down to individual bones and is rarely still left in a carcass form. In my years of experience with the wolf I would say that this either means that these were dog attacks or if it was a wolf attack that it was a single wolf or two at the most feeding,rather than a meal for a pack.

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    In 2016, wolves killed 9 788 sheep in France.

    http://en.rfi.fr/france/20170918-sheep-farmers-aveyron-warn-against-over-protecting-wolves-france

    The problem with any wild apex predator such as the wolf is that if it is protected it will get conditioned to being in the close presence of humans and not suffering harm, and it then naturally associates humans with the easy meal that their sheep, goats, calves, garbage etc provide without risk. Take a minute to consider the urban fox problem – 30 or 40 years ago your average fox wouldn’t be in an urban environment – it would keep away from humans, their sounds, their smell, at any cost. Nowadays they go into houses in cities and attack children. Why? Because they have learnt that they can scavenge in and inhabit our environment at no risk to themselves. We need foxes and wolves to retain their fear of humans – to keep them in their environment and away from ours. The sentimental protection of these animals at all costs is misplaced IMHO.

    There is evidence of this habituated wolf behaviour in Canada – there has been more than one instance where a non-rabid healthy wolf lay in wait for a man and attacked him –

    “Wolf attacks aren’t supposed to happen this way, but wolves aren’t acting as expected there”

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/he-was-testing-humans-as-potential-prey-why-canadas-richest-uranium-mining-region-is-haunted-by-wolves

    Is this what you want to happen in Brittany? – admittedly not now, next week. next month but maybe in several wolf generations time?

     

     

     

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    wolves used to live here so the habitat must suit them..

    anyway, according to this article no evidence has been found so far:

    Pas de loups (encore) en Bretagne

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    You are reading the wrong info – there have been confirmed sightings.

    One near Lac de Guerledan, a photographer camping there witnessed a wolf at 40 metres from his tent and described it.

    A sighting of one crossing a road.

    And analysis of faeces found in the area.

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    Unless someone actually sees a wolf it sounds like a bit of speculation and blame can easily be attached to something that is considered a threat, even if there is no evidence that it’s actually there. Mr. F. had a pet fox when he was a young boy and even though the fox was with him at a time when a neighbour’s cat was killed by something his fox was blamed and destroyed, simply because it was considered a threat.

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    Sorry Fitter I was typing my post as you were posting

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    the link was posted by a local journalist (Le Corre Thierry) on twitter shortly before I posted it here so assume it’s up to date info

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    Probably still more chance of being killed by an inebriated chasseur than a wolf if you’re down in the woods, even in a few wolf generations time.

    Bit of an out of proportion fear to me, like shark attacks when you’re far more likely to be killed in a car crash on your way to the beach statistically speaking but the poor old sharks get persecuted.

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    Even in places like mercantour national park where the wolf is protected,they are still an extremely elusive animal. I have met many a photographer and tourist who have spent lots of time down there and have never had a siting. I am quite sure that the wolf will never become like the urban fox,it is too cautious by its very nature,whereas the fox has a bit of an attitude problem and thinks it is a bit harder than it is !!

    I have been parked in out there places on a few occassions where cars have stopped and reversed when they have seen cockney ( berger suisse aka white german sheppard ) in their headlights. Also there are hybrid dogs such as the wolf dog of czechoslovakia which often create false wolf sitings.

    I would be quite amazed if a wolf has lost its way and ended up in Brittany,though all the same nothing is impossible. As a rule they will not bimble too far away from their usual grounds and I would imagine that once they have got to the top of Limousin coming north or to the east of the morvan natural park in Burgundy that they would turn back knowing that the land they are coming into is not conducive to their survival.

    Brittany is now far more populated and farmed than it once was and would not be a great area for a wolf to settle and raise a family.

    I would imagine that these cases are of a mistaken identity.

    Just going back to my comment about the wolf being more scared than humans,I must admit that last time I met one face to face,well about 30metres away, I was probably about 6 miles away from the nearest dwelling right up a mountain track in the flying dragon (my van) and was well in the wolfs territory and the moment I shone my orch and saw him that close my heart played quite a fast techno tune !! I said ” come on then cockney,time for bed” and we quickly went back into the van. Better safe than sorry eh !!

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    Just had a thought of something I thought that I would share with you so you can keep your eyes open for wolf tracks.

    It is too dry at the moment to get a very clear trace in the mud,so any tracks would be very hard to differentiate between those of a dog. The two resemble each other very much,though if you get a very clear print in the mud or snow you will notice that the wolfs middle two toe’s are the same size as the two outside toe’s, whereas a dogs middle two are slightly larger than the outside two.

    Another certain way of recognizing when a wolf has been by is that it places its back foot in the same place as its front foot leaving a very straight line of prints,whereas thze dog places its feet side by side.

    Anyhow,thought you may find this of interest and hopefully it will give you the moment of pleasure one day when you see your first ever wolf tracks.

    Bonne weekend a tous

    Jamie and cockney xx

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