Travel to and from the UK
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Well to prove the UK is run by paranoid pillocks, got my requirement for Advance Passenger Information.
Everywhere else in Europe travel is easy now you enter or exit the UK it is complex and stupid but I suppose that is the way the Brexshiteers wanted it.
Be aware Brittany Ferries now require this information before travel.
I am ashamed to say I am British.
God only knows what they are doing with all this DATA and how much it is costing to store details of UK citizens movements.
Advance passenger information is required for any entry into the UK or any other country.
Just the same if you fly or ferry.
“API (Advance Passenger Information) data is biographic information on passengers (as contained in travel documents) collected by air carriers during check-in and, complemented with travel route information, transmitted by these carriers to the border control authorities of the country of destination”
The only way to avoid it entering the UK is to get yourself a rubber boat and do the Calais>Dover route.
Maybe Paul is talking about the Passenger Locator Form which was supposedly introduced to track where people would be staying when quarantine was required last year.Quarantine has been scrapped for vaccinated visitors for some time now,but the PLF is still required,lot of information on there that is absolutely nobody,s business,think it is just part of the massive list of mistakes and mishandling that the UK Gov has made regarding the travel fiasco.
Topcat The API and the Passenger Locator form are different things.
The API has to be completed by everyone entering and leaving the UK so that this bunch of idiots keep some kind of balance before the UK becomes overwhelmed an sinks, no it is to pacify the racist who voted leave.
The PLF is what is required before you enter the UK under the present Covid rules. Be aware you cannot complete the form until you are within 48 hours of your arrival.
Fitter I think you are wrong on so many levels.
I will start with your final comment, which I consider to be borderline racist.
The people crossing the Channel are just like you and me, some will have obvious prejudice but in the main they are only trying to make a better life for their selves and their children. Many have spent several years traveling from their home country and for some inexplicable reason want to reach the UK. So much so that they are willing to risk their lives crossing a busy waterway. They do not, as can be confirmed by studies carried out become a cost on the public purse and given the chance will contribute more to the UK than many of the indigenous population do.
There are many ways to enter the UK and NI without completing and API.
Regarding the API this applies to UK travellers firstly because the UK did not join Schengen and secondly because the UK is now not in the EU.
Countries that are part of Schengen do not require API checks for most internal EU travel only for entry into the Schengen area.
https://www.iberia.com/gb/advance-passenger-information-api/
If you know so much about the many ways to enter the UK without completing an API , why don’t you use one of them instead of whingeing about how onerous it is for little you having to fill out a form or two?
I consider you to be borderline stupid for asking.
Instead of resorting to insults why don’t people deal in facts?
Can I clear up a few points, I’ve just returned from a short trip to UK, so my experience is very recent.
An API was not required for entry to UK, nor for boarding the ferry. For sure certain information is required by the ferry company, DOB, full name, etc, as detailed in a passport. What kind of carrier would be accepting bookings from an anonymous traveller!!!
A Passenger Locator Form was required by UK border control, but had to be completed before boarding the ferry, along with Vaccination Certificate, Test result (within the last three days), and Booking Number of a day 2 test (and day 8, if required). This form also required address of where you intended to isolate on arrival and dates of travel.
On return to France, a Vaccination Certificate or Test Results within last 24 hours was required. Also on arrival at boarding, a form was required for French Authorities which was merely a declaration that you had not had Covid, and had not been in contact with any Covid patients, otherwise strict isolation requirements were applied. This was perused by French Border Control, and they may have taken a copy, but it was returned to me. There was no prior notice of this before arriving at embarkation point in UK, but the forms were easily available, and the information so basic that no reference to any other documents was required.
I have never been required to complete an API form, for travel to and from UK and EU, nor within EU.
API are required by other countries, e.g. Australia, Cambodia, Vietnam, but not Laos, nor Thailand. But for those countries my information may be out-of-date.
Finally, my take on Fitter’s remark about rubber boats, etc, Any derogatory remark about rubber boats and refugees can be considered borderline offensive, especially if you have empathy or sympathy for those refugees. Perhaps the test could be, “was the remark necessary, or did it add anything in the slightest to the discussion?”
If it didn’t, it was (IMO) intended to be borderline derogatory or offensive.
Just to clarify even further, I think Paul is slightly conflating the API requirements with the PLF requirements.
As I understand it, the API is required for air transport, and has been for a while, but nothing to do with Covid. The link provided by Fitter actually mentions this:
The International Civil Aviation Organization…
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API (Advance Passenger Information) data is biographic information on passengers (as contained in travel documents) collected by air carriers during check-in
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These authorities screen the passengers while in-flight for border migration management and law enforcement.
I am not aware of ferry companies (UK – EU) using this API process, ever.
But the PLF is a recent requirement, by UK only, due to the pandemic.
Look at it a different way,is it really worth the effort to go over there.
Its safer here I feel and I won’t go back until plague Island has got its act together.
The family and friends I speak to over there can’t believe what’s going on.
Bobby Thanks for the update but I am not confused the API covers any form of travel train sea or air.
We received a request to supply API from Brittany and I did question it but found they are correct.
Copy of passage from Email sorry could not get the spacings correct here
From an email sent from Brittany Ferries Sept 19
We’re looking forward to welcoming you on board Pont-Aven. In order to reduce waiting times at the port we kindly ask that you are ready to present the following for all passengers travelling at check in:
Passport(s)
At check in, all passengers must present a paper sworn statement testifying they have no Covid symptoms and have had no contact with a positive case in the past 14 days. Find the form here.
Those who are fully vaccinated will need proof of vaccination. Check full government requirements here. Those who are not fully vaccinated will need proof of a negative Covid-19 test result along with other documentation. Check full government requirements here .
ADVANCE PASSENGER INFOMATION (API) We remind you that it is mandatory to complete the information at least 24 hours prior to departure for all passengers. If you have not done this yet, you can access the form here. To access to the form, you will need your booking reference number, the email address you used to book, the lead passenger name and passport information for all passengers.
We recommend bringing a printed copy of all documents. Please note, if one of these documents is missing or incorrectly filled in, you will be refused access to the ship.
More information and documentation requirements for travel to and from our destinations can be found here. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. See you soon, Brittany Ferries
I hear what you are saying, Paul, but as a UK passport holder I’ve never been required to complete an API for entry into UK, whenever travelling by any means. But I can understand that non-UK passport holders are required to complete such a form.
I’ve also never been required to complete said form for entry into France, by any means.
Incidentally, the PLF is available from UK government website. It does require the carrier, arrival time, the vessel/plane/train numbers or name and the seat/cabin number. It also requires your time and date of exit from UK.
I did have need to ask for a data information request from UK Border control several years ago, and I was told that they do not keep records of UK passport holders entry(ies) into UK.
Finally, my take on Fitter’s remark about rubber boats, etc, Any derogatory remark about rubber boats and refugees can be considered borderline offensive, especially if you have empathy or sympathy for those refugees. Perhaps the test could be, “was the remark necessary, or did it add anything in the slightest to the discussion?” If it didn’t, it was (IMO) intended to be borderline derogatory or offensive. 0
This level of over sensitivity is just ridiculous and is exactly what is causing people not to post here. “Could be considered borderline offensive” by who exactly? anyone who doesn’t agree with the poster’s opinion?
So you can have an opinion as long as it is the same as mine. Never mind free speech. Playing the race card or homophobic or sexist or any other phobia every time someone even mentions something a little controversial or maybe even humourous is creating a toxic atmosphere. If you want to post an opinion here you should expect others to disagree and respect their opinions too otherwise you are going to end up with no one to discuss anything with.
Eurotunnel have required API information for at least 4 years…all passengers.
This level of over sensitivity is just ridiculous and is exactly what is causing people not to post here. “Could be considered borderline offensive” by who exactly? anyone who doesn’t agree with the poster’s opinion? So you can have an opinion as long as it is the same as mine. Never mind free speech. Playing the race card or homophobic or sexist or any other phobia every time someone even mentions something a little controversial or maybe even humourous is creating a toxic atmosphere. If you want to post an opinion here you should expect others to disagree and respect their opinions too otherwise you are going to end up with no one to discuss anything with.
You might find sensitive people ridiculous, John, and because they may be more sensitive or considerate than you, you describe them as over sensitive. Perhaps we could explore what a societal level of acceptable sensitivity would look like?
I think that encapsulates your opinion. You’ll do and say whatever you like and you don’t care if any is offended, and if they are it’s their fault, for being over sensitive, not yours, for being inconsiderate.
With freedoms come responsibilities. You can’t enjoy the one without the other in a civilised society, well you can, but you need to be aware of the consequences.
Racism, sexism, homophobia or any other phobia are real issues in society, causing deep divisions and harm, not just useful idioms to refute criticism.
I am happy to post my opinion on here, and I’m pleased to have the opportunity to justify that opinion, but I do not use throw away idioms, such as ‘play the race card’, etc as tools to bat away criticism.
As previously said, if someone says something that adds nothing to the discussion, is used purely for some theatrical effect (rather like your ‘playing the race card’) it can be considered as intentionally potentially offensive or insulting. (Perhaps we could delve deeper into your perception of what ‘playing the race card’ actually means, but maybe for a separate discussion.)
So, as far as I am concerned your opinion is welcome, but your attitude is not welcoming, nor considerate, nor inviting, nor inclusive.
The only way to avoid it entering the UK is to get yourself a rubber boat and do the Calais>Dover route. 0
To react to the above comment as you did Bobby, was in my opinion, being over sensitive. There is no mention of immigrants or racial slurs but clearly in your book any comment about immigrants and channel crossings is not acceptable. Even though there are hundreds of people making the crossing every day we cannot mention it because someone MIGHT find it offensive or consider it racist.
I am not going to enter into another debate about this because it has already been done here recently and I don’t want another epistle according to Saint Bobby about carriers rights and legal or illegal crossings and human rights. I am sorry you don’t find my attitude welcoming, considerate, inviting or inclusive. Perhaps you can explain to me how I can disagree with someone’s opinion here in a welcoming, considerate or inviting manner. I always found it used to be possible to challenge an opinion here and as long as it wasn’t made personal or use inappropriate language it shouldn’t be considered offensive. Sadly that doesn’t appear to be the case anymore.
JohnP I ask the simple question why does it matter to you that hundreds of people are crossing the Channel in rubber boats every day.
It doesn’t matter to me personally but I don’t think it is right or sustainable that this situation should carry on unchecked. However the point I was trying to make was that it should be possible to have a discussion about it without people being “offended”. It is happening and it is a problem so it shouldn’t be brushed under the carpet or become a taboo subject. It won’t solve itself or go away just because no one is allowed to talk about it.
So you think that a few thousand migrants are ” don’t think it is right or sustainable that this situation should carry on unchecked.” in a rich country with a population of 63 Million. Yet the Tories allow the rich only to pay taxes at 10% on the bulk of their income!!!!!
I don’t want another epistle according to Saint Bobby ..I am sorry you don’t find my attitude welcoming, considerate, inviting or inclusive. Perhaps you can explain to me how I can disagree with someone’s opinion here in a welcoming, considerate or inviting manner.
You really feel the need to ask such a question after the comment highlighted in bold and italics?
You have resorted to the last bastion of a weak argument, insults and offensiveness.
To react to the above comment as you did Bobby, was in my opinion, being over sensitive. There is no mention of immigrants or racial slurs but clearly in your book any comment about immigrants and channel crossings is not acceptable. Even though there are hundreds of people making the crossing every day we cannot mention it because someone MIGHT find it offensive or consider it racist.
The reference was intended to be derogatory towards refugees seeking safety in UK. It added nothing to the discussion. It was not intended to. Therefore it was intentionally derogatory, and therefore potentially offensive.
I didn’t say it was racist, I said it was offensive. I disagree with Paul, I don’t think it was racist, but it was meant to be derogatory about refugees, and was therefore offensive.
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