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    In light of yet another mass shooting in the US this week here’s a very powerful poem which I found very moving….

     

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    As you say Jazzy, very powerful!

    (Like the daffodil, very springlike)

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    Agree, very powerful. If anyone wants to watch it again with the lyrics, it’s here. The comments below make interesting reading as well.

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    I am amazed how lax the gun laws are in the United States, it appears children  are able to have guns with no problem.  I would be interested in how many of these tragic mass shootings were actually done by children? When you compare the age, minors are allowed to drink it’s very odd.  I’m horrified no one has yet tried to change it!

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    Obama had passed legislation saying that mentally ill people could not buy guns.

    Trump overturned this.

    The latest shooter is reported to be mentally ill.

    When will America wake up?

    6 gun deaths a year in Japan where there are strict gun controls, over 17,000 in America. The equivalent of 8 twin towers attacks per year!

    And still Americans think that Donald Trump is keeping them safe!

     

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    Cannot buy a drink until you are 21 but can buy guns at 18 ! USA has serious problems with their  logic .The NRA has a lot to answer for  .

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    Exactly !!  :cry:

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    As this topic has been brought up due to the awful recent high school shootings, I have to bring this up. Today in the news, the disgusting cowardly b…..d, who carried out this monstrosity act, has only said he will plead guilty as to avoid the death penalty! Firstly, we all know it was this b…..d, who killed 17 students, in the prime of their lives, so why give him the choice. He’s obviously scared of dying, what about those poor students who lived a normal life?, more than I can say for this ‘freak’

    Stand him against a wall and get all the families of those that were killed in front of him and all enjoy pulling that trigger! I know I would!

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    Multiple problems of which I am no expert , but it appears the young man has the solution . :negative:

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    If a dog has ‘multiple problems’ you put it down!

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    I love dogs, but this person is evil .

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    Exactly, I love dogs as well, have my own and always have done. I was unfortunate enough to have a ‘wrongen’ so had to let her go at the age of 2  :cry:

    He’s a wrongan, worse in humans, so ‘put him down’

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    How can anyone justify the fact that a teenager, still too young to legally drink alcohol, or anyone for that matter can go into a store and legally purchase a powerful weapon designed for use in the theatre of war? Surely this is stretching the intention of the 2nd amendment to its limit or even making a mockery of it.
    The US is not at war or under attack so why are these weapons available to the general public?
    Utter madness…..

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    Yes my point exactly!  Completely crazy, the law was brought in a long time ago, but present day conditions have absolutely nothing what so ever with having the right to protect yourself!!   Plus why would you give a gun to a young person, or  even allow it?   Madness!

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    You will like this ,I know in some states a document has to signed before buying a gun  stating that you do not intend to commit a crime with this firearm .This wait for it ,so it is easier for the police to arrest you when you  shoot someone with it .Might be a Federal law not sure .

     

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    Probably been said before but i’m sure anyone who is anywhere in the world can get a gun to carry out such a deed if they are so determined. Banning the sale of firearms would change much IMO.

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    They should have a referendum to by-pass the undemocratic actions of the NRA.

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    Heard someone, I think from the NRA, saying on the lunchtime news that this was not a gun control problem but a mental health problem. So he killed all those kids with his mental health, then? People do say some stupid things, sometimes.

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    Heard someone, I think from the NRA, saying on the lunchtime news that this was not a gun control problem but a mental health problem. So he killed all those kids with his mental health, then? People do say some stupid things, sometimes.

    He could have killed them with a screwdriver but would have had to work much harder to do it.

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    Yes my point exactly! Completely crazy, the law was brought in a long time ago, but present day conditions have absolutely nothing what so ever with having the right to protect yourself!! Plus why would you give a gun to a young person, or even allow it? Madness!

    There was a documentary some time ago when it was shown that some parents were taking their children, as young as 8 years old, out and teaching them to shoot handguns and rifles.  The children in theory don’t actually have them in their toybox but if they are in the house they are accessible.  I’m so glad there is a nice big ocean between them and us.  With their obvious lack of geographical knowledge we are fairly safe.  They are more dangerous than the terrorists.  So many more of them.

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    But Pete it might be possible to kill one or two before being stopped but not 17 innocent people.6 school killings since 1 Jan.Many in Europe ,I rest my case ?

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    As PJ says, those who are determined to get a weapon can get one, by whatever means. In the real, law-abiding world, however, selling them to anyone who asks, without any sort of real justification, shouldn’t be possible. Unfortunately, while the NRA continues to have the power it has in the States, it is possible, and such killings as we’re discussing will continue.

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    The point I was trying to make that although guns can be banned someone determined enough will obtain one by whichever method. Apparently it’s not difficult to buy say, an AK47 on the internet. Certain drugs are banned in France but it’s a doddle getting hold of anyone in most of the bigger towns.

    Bomb-making advice is freely available on the internet apparently and that’s the way I would committ mass-murder. Poisoning the water system isn’t too difficult either I would imagine and that could kill a heck of a lot more people than a gun.

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    PJ, does that mean that the last line of your post at 3.34 pm should read “Banning the sale of firearms wouldn’t change much IMO.”? I’ll change it if that’s what you meant to put.

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    I wonder how many people’s lives have been saved by owning a gun?

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    How many of you remember the case of the man in Norfolk that shot a burglar and was prosecuted for it.   Guns are not the answer to anything apart from making money for the manufacturers.

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    The point I was trying to make that although guns can be banned someone determined enough will obtain one by whichever method. Apparently it’s not difficult to buy say, an AK47 on the internet. Certain drugs are banned in France but it’s a doddle getting hold of anyone in most of the bigger towns. Bomb-making advice is freely available on the internet apparently and that’s the way I would committ mass-murder. Poisoning the water system isn’t too difficult either I would imagine and that could kill a heck of a lot more people than a gun.

    We may soon see a bomb-carrying drone become the next weapon of choice.

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    The point I was trying to make is why make it easy to kill ?

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