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    In a recent thread, I have said that I don’t like to waste a worry, and it’s true, I don’t if I can help it because I believe in living for today and not stress about things over which I have no control. I would like to think that if I were to drop dead tomorrow my friends and family would be able to say “She lived her life to the full” rather than say “What a pity she didn’t do all those things she wanted to do, it’s too late now.”

    However, that isn’t to say that I don’t worry about anything, of course I do. For one thing, I do worry about what is happening to our planet, what we’re doing to it, how it’s starting to burn up, what will my great grandkids have to face, even my grandkids before that.

    What can I do to help prevent what’s happening? Is there anything? I suppose I could stop driving a car, how can I? Everywhere is too far for me to walk or cycle ( not that I can ride a bike but that’s another story……) I could stop my quest for fitting in seeing as much of the world as finances and time allows because each time I get on a plane it causes a bit more damage, but I won’t will I? Because of my attitude in the opening paragraph, so I’m not seriously trying to prevent the damage am I?

    I don’t really want to think that I am selfishly living my life and sod the consequences for future generations but I have a horrible feeling that it’s exactly what I am doing. In all honesty though, it would only save the planet if nobody else got on the plane or in the car either, but does that make it right that I still do? Is there anything else I can do that would make a real difference?  :unsure:

     

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    all any of us can do is live as responsibly as we are able, reducing our footprint on this planet where we can

    at an individual level, no it will not make a big difference, but if the majority all try , then eventually, it will become socially unacceptable to abuse our planet / country / world in such a way and peer pressure will get results where individuals could not.

    Just look at what has happened in the last 5 years regarding abuse of women – what was seen as (probably) acceptable just a few years ago, causes outrage now.  hopefully the same morals and attitudes will apply to our use / abuse of the planet we all share.

    in the meantime if you want to “Push” your concerns (without becoming a vigilante :-) ) then why not try a blog, or similar ?

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    Totally agree with your thoughts and sentiments

    Its difficult isnt it- I remember when I was young, coughing and spluttering when the coal fire was lit in our house, when the belch of oily black smoke from the car exhaust signalled that we were in luck and the car would start, when there were less vaccinations, when my Granny and Mum had to walk to work in winter and I am sure it did no good to their arthritis and “sore veins!” in their legs

    I could go on about how things have changed- no longer do I worry too much. I just try and get on with it as best I can but must admit that I probably think too much about how our lifestyle is bound to affect future generations

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    There is absolutely nothing you as an individual can do.  As you rightly point out, one person giving up their car or using an aircraft will make no difference whatsoever.  The real driver behind all this destructive technology is greed.  Money that is made by the people at the top.  Its a complex system that has developed over many decades and we are powerless to reverse the trend.  How could it possibly help for you alone, or everyone in France gave up their car when just one factory in China or the USA belches out more greenhouse gas in a day?  OK, I sympathise with people who despair for the lives of their offspring, etc. but there is nothing to be done at our level.  The hot eco news item recently is the evil plastics.  They seem to be saying its our fault that it is choking up the seas when I doubt if you have ever thrown a plastic bottle into the sea personally, and all the time manufacturers are using more and more packaging for their products.  I for one would be happy to take things wrapped in recyclable paper instead but no, it is not offered.  Just more and more plastic we have to fight our way into and then dispose of.

    Chill out Fruitcake.  Its not your fault, no matter who tells you otherwise.

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    All good advice above Fruitcake.  I think your living life to the full is admirable. Even when I was younger and before we were as aware as we are today my maxim was to have as much fun as I could without hurting anybody. I now have to broaden that to anybody or anything.

    Realistically the things that could ease the strain on our planet would be mass human culling or the destruction of the internet which I firmly believe will prove to be the most damaging evil invented. Neither are going to happen.

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    Yes Sh-Sh and whocares there are so many things that need to be looked at but, sadly, I fear you are right about greed coming into the mix Sh-Sh, it’s the biggest problem with most things.

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    The fact that you are aware and are thinking about these things probably means you will pass on a better attitude than was passed to us. If enough people complain and moan about plastics, manufacturers and supermarkets etc will have to listen and change what they do. It happened with smoking, in a relatively short space of time. It doesn’t seem that long ago I’d be playing gigs where I couldn’t actually see the bar for cigarette smoke, people smoked on buses, in restaurants, trains etc. Now it’s quite strange to see anyone smoking a real cigarette at all. Attitudes changed, and something that everyone predicted wouldn’t work has worked. When I was a kid the only reason my dad didn’t have a car with a big engine is because he was constantly moaning about the price of petrol, nothing whatsoever to do with the environment, no one really cared or thought about what they were doing. If we all do our bit, pass that attitude on to our children and people around us, and they do their bit and pass it on as well things will change eventually, but it isn’t going to happen very quickly. We’ve all got used to cheap flights, cheap goods shipped from China and Taiwan etc (that includes my iPhone, I know, I’m just as guilty), and being used to just throwing stuff away when it goes slightly wrong because it’s unrepairable, or we just got bored and wanted a new car/phone/laptop/TV etc

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    Exactly! I know it’s no excuse but we didn’t have the internet then,  had no idea of all this pollution going on, I would put plastics as the biggest culprit in modern times .  When I go to the supermarket, they are still using  the stuff,  also some thing are double wrapped just so you get the idea, even though it’s been  grown in the ground . Bring back paper bags and glass bottles. Here in our small town I can have delivered full fat farm milk delivered in glass bottles.  I can buy my fruit and veg in paper bags . When I was a child plastics were not around, it was blue paper t bags  with loose tea, cheese and butter weighed out and wrapped in greaseproof. As a town we are trying our best to change people’s ideas !  I would have more respect for Donald if  he made a stand and stopped the pollution in the States! :yes:

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    When you think of the gases thrown out by cars think also about what has been thrown out into the atmosphere by this years volcanic eruptions. Is the weather we are subjected to at present really down to the human race? I seem to remember in my history lessons that when the Romans invaded England the country was warm enough then to grow grapes. As an individual there isn’t anything I can do, so I lay back and enjoy it. Short sighted perhaps but……………. :unsure:

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    Oh I think a lot of it’s definitely to do with the human race BE

    I have been looking at ways to reduce our personal carbon footprint and surprisingly I was pleased to discover that we are already doing a fair few of the things on the list.

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    Here’s an example which I think backs up your reasoning Fruitcake. Just east of Selby is Europes largest coal powered station, Drax. It is now converted to burning biomass, basically wood chips. So far so good! However, the wood is grown in the USA. It is then sent over the Atlantic Ocean by ship. Landed at Liverpool it is transferred to trains which spend 9 hours getting to Drax! So think of the carbon footprint of that lot.

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    After reading all your replies, I have a really short answer. Some may see as a ‘cop out’, buy just all of you live the way you are. If that’s the way you live, then sod everything else, or you just live a life of worry. That is not good for anyone

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    But not buy!

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    #397025

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    I think there is a place in Leicester that is growing grapes successfully BE !

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    This thread is almost a year old and really nothing is any different than it was when I started the thread and I don’t think it’s likely to be, especially with regards to the plastic problem because as has been discussed on this thread and others it is still being manufactured and used with gay abandon and we are still buying it, yes we recycle it and we don’t dump it in the sea but someone does.

    When I was shopping the other day I didn’t put my bananas in the plastic bag provided for them to be weighed at the checkout in one shop, weighed my peppers individually and stuck the labels on each one in another and felt smug that I had done so, thinking I had made an effort, BUT, I then bought a plastic sack of compost, a plastic tub of Crèpi, packs of meat in plastic shrink-wrapped trays and no end of other things in, on, or wrapped in plastic.

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    i think lidl’s quite good as fruit/veg is weighed at the till so mostly doesn’t need a bag and the bags (for smaller bits) seem biodegradable. some of the bread bags are paper though some still have a plastic window. also there are brown paper sacs (as well as plastic) if you’ve forgotten to bring your own

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    What can I do to download a self-made recording from my computer to the forum ?

    Thanks

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    I’ve sent away for some reusable veg bags to take to the supermarket as have read that the new supposedly biodegradable ones aren’t that biodegradable after all!😡 Have also sent away for some stretchy silicone reusable lids to replace clingfilm.

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    there’s the insert link option but think you would need to have uploaded it somewhere (like youtube) first

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    Tried that k and not happens.

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    I think everyone can do their bit ? To say ” it is not our fault ” is easy .

    Some people live without thinking . Go to the shop, buy your veg , put it in a plastic bag , go home , take it out of bag, throw bag away !

    There are many ways that you can help the environment , it is too easy to say ” it won’t make a difference”

    As I wrote on the last thread that I started , look at Waitrose , they are trying something new (for them )  No packaging , go to a bio shop and you may find that there is a lot less plastic ( not all , but a lot)

    We try to buy things without the package , it’s not too difficult and every little helps . Refuse the plastic bag that is offered and slowly others will do the same ( like sheep :yahoo: ) :yes:

    Well done Fruitcake

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    Here’s an example which I think backs up your reasoning Fruitcake. Just east of Selby is Europes largest coal powered station, Drax. It is now converted to burning biomass, basically wood chips. So far so good! However, the wood is grown in the USA. It is then sent over the Atlantic Ocean by ship. Landed at Liverpool it is transferred to trains which spend 9 hours getting to Drax! So think of the carbon footprint of that lot.

    I once served on a collier, we picked up coal from Newcastle and nearby ports then shipped it over to Poland where it was processed as coke then shipped back to the same north-east ports.

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    I use the paper bags the supermarket provides for the loose mushrooms and put other veg in them, unfortunately, blueberries, strawberries etc all come in plastic containers. Our council have quite a good recycling system, they also provide containers for left over food which is picked up every week. It will be interesting to see if  the scheme Waitrose is trying  will be successful. We also have a facility which allows you to refil washing up liquid and cleaning products etc, which is good and also works out cheaper.

     

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    That all sounds very positive tigre! Steps certainly being made in the right direction, what a good idea about refilling the cleaning products!

    All these little changes will eventually make a difference.

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    Bringing this posting back up was to draw attention to the subject of plastic waste, I’m sorry if it has drawn attention to other matters. All I will say on what has been brought up in a very odd way is that death is not something to be taken lightly, we are off to a memorial service tomorrow for a recently deceased friend, it is no joking matter I can assure you. The announcement of the demise of anyone does not really belong on a post about plastic waste and I don’t understand why it is here.

    That does seem a bit odd Jazzy, it’s as if they are assuming that because you are willing to pay extra for bio you can have a paper bag!

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    This thread is very important and a great topic to be discussed. As such I’ve removed all off topic comments.
    As FC has already mentioned please create a new thread for other news. Thank you.

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    That all sounds very positive tigre! Steps certainly being made in the right direction, what a good idea about refilling the cleaning products! All these little changes will eventually make a difference.

    Refills for cleaning products have been around for quite a while ( or at least they have been here, in France )

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    We use a lot of the Ecover products, which are more environmentally friendly, there are loads of retail stores/ farm shops  in the UK that provide a refill service for their products, looking at their website, they even have on in Spain!

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    We use Ecover  products and refill the small bottles.

    There are so many simple things that you can do to help the environment , problem is that most people don’t really care ?

    Buy local , buy in season ,buy fresh , eat less meat , don’t waste what you buy , but I’m sure that those that are interested already do this and those that aren’t don’t . :-)

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