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    tigre
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    So they say, Jazzy.

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    Thanks Roger. Not too worried about the French conversation bit – bit more worried about him remembering the history etc :yahoo: I did find on the Rennes prefecture website (I think) a document detailing the things he’s likely to be asked about- history, culture etc – so I’ll have to start drilling him (so to speak) and get him up to speed. :whistle: Lippy

     

    Devoir as they call homework then. I’ll start, Bill the Conk 1066 Battle of Hastings :wacko:   ;-)

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    Calm down peops ffs!!

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    So they say, Jazzy.

    Not just a rumour, Tigre, if that is what you’re implying….

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    Take it as you want, Jazzy, makes no difference to me.

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    Just noticed -Is there a certain time in the evening when a certain poster has too much to drink

    Just curious as at other times there can be a really good rapport between posters and then just around a certain time its like wow a touch of the old schizophrenia kicks in- too much to drink or just a wee bit dim , who knows- maybe we should all be a bit more tolerant and smile sweetly

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    Forgot to add birth and marriage certs to the list ( some prefectures want them translated) and an Attestation from your health provider RSI or Secu

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    Calm down peops ffs!!

     

    What? I don’t see any calming needing to be done?

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    Plenty that I can see

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    Hope this  helps reassure some, please click on the link below to read the whole article.

    Contrary to press reports, the draft law does not aim to empower the government to force Britons in France to have visas and residency cards and even less does it seek to ‘make us illegal’.

    Rather, in its introductory passages the law draws attention to the automatic effects of a no-deal should the French government not act to put other measures in place. These effects include the fact that British residents in France would lose their current legal residency status – which is based on them being EU citizens – and become third country (non-EU) citizens. They would therefore be in an ‘irregular’ situation after Brexit due to not having the usual visas and third country citizen residency cards that such residents require. France is not seeking this, it is merely stating a fact.
    The introduction also lays out, among other automatic no-deal effects, the fact that employers employing Britons would find themselves to be breaking the law, because third country citizens need appropriate cartes de séjour and/ or work permits in order to work legally.

    https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Brexit/Britons-in-France-and-Brexit-Setting-the-record-straight

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    Call me an ostrich if you wish but surely if one does obtain a TdS now it ‘could’ become invalid anyway. Just because you obtain one now the rules ‘could’ change to make it obsolete anyway. Who knows? We are early-retirees who have lived here almost 8 years and we have no intention of returning to the UK as we love our life here. That said, no-one knows what the future has in store for us so the time may come we decide that we do need to return to the UK. But where to go?? We do have this discussion and we both know for sure it has to be by the sea but rural. So, if that decision is made for us we’ll just roll with it. No point getting worked up about it.

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    Many people are placing links here for various articles in different newspapers regarding brexit. These articles are not fact, they are just the interpretation of various journalists and editors and are all supposition. There are no facts and their won’t be until the brexit bill gets voted through parliament and final agreements are signed. Once it is agreed what, if anything, expats will need to stay here, there will be a period allowed for these documents to be applied for. Maybe after that period, there may be a charge but to suggest that on April 1st next year all UK expats are going to be treated as non EU citizens has no substance. It may be that this will be the case for anyone wishing to settle here after that date(although I think even that is unlikely). There is a transition period, which shows all signs of being extended still further, for the purpose of implimenting changes. This will be a massive undertaking and having expats register who are already resident here is not going to be a priority. :mail:

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    John P is right in that there are no actual facts yet, there are lots of ‘if this happens then this will happen’ but all of it is supposition and speculation about what would happen if a certain scenario took place, but if Theresa May doesn’t know what the scenario is going to be then it’s for sure that nobody else does. Yes, there are plans spoken about in readiness for certain outcomes but whatever the outcome none of these plans will be implemented the next day, and anything can happen in our lives in the interim period.

    Those who feel more secure in the minds to have a TDS should apply for them and if a few years later it is found to be a waste of time there is not a lot lost apart from some time and inconvenience. Those that are happy to wait and see what the outcome is and then make decisions they should just do that and in the meantime, we should all get on with life and enjoy these current days. We have a life to live now. I appreciate that the uncertainty of what the outcome of Brexit might be and the after effects it might have on us ex-pats is disconcerting and unsettling and I follow all the news items as closely as the next person, but there will be time enough to be anxious when all is revealed, don’t spoil these present days by worrying too much now.

    We have Christmas to look forward to! There, I’ve said that word and my apologies to the Christmas haters and bah humbugs amongst you. Personally, I absolutely love it!  :good:

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    By the way, looking back over the previous posts, I can’t find anything untoward that merits a calming down  :unsure:

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    Agree, fruitcake. If it makes you feel secure then you have nothing to lose from applying for one but it’s a matter of choice.

    None of us are experts re the pros and cons and whys and wherefores of having a tds in a dogs dinner of a situation which seems to change on a daily basis. All I know is the French government advised us to apply for one and that a lot of people are following this advice especially if they are working here.

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    As Marie has pointed out, the TdS for European citizens that are being issued to UK expats won’t be valid after the Brexit date, so these cards will have to be exchanged for whatever the French government is planning on issuing in place of these cards. What has and is being said is that in practice  it should make it easier and quicker for those already holding a TdS, that obviously remains to be seen, now if it’s a case that you will have to make another appointment at the prefecture to swap cards, so to speak, then people who are finding it difficult or costly to get to their prefecture at the moment,  it makes sense to only do the trip once and apply for the new card after March 29th. Finger’s crossed the French will have the common sense to may be have a system where new cards can be posted to expats that have recently acquired a TdS/CdS rather than have to visit the prefecture again.

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    But say if you’re working and haven’t applied for a cds/tds before 29th March and you can’t get an appointment for this new card if there ever will be one until, say the end of April? Will you be able to keep working?

     

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    Anyone who watches French TV, or I believe and according to the wife, Macron was on UK TV news as well and announced what I have said from the white paper (produced and ready for the Senat to pass) and what Liz has just put on.  The French and now the Germans have their side prepared for the eventuality of a no deal or/and even if and when The UK does finally exit the EU. Now some of you may well argue and debate whether what he said is fact but one thing I do know, Macron knows far more than any of us about what France will do and that is a FACT, his country, his rules.  Please don’t keep hiding behind “its only an opinion, not a fact” Macron had the sensible idea to announce to the UK what France will have to do when the UK depart from the EU, he can’t treat Brits any different to  other countries not in the EU. The EU has rules and that was what he was explaining.

    People can do what they want, apply, or not of course but don’t say some things are not fact. Both the UK and the French governments have suggestedf (yes it’s only a suggestion some will say but that suggestion is one to help you) that it would be very sensible to apply for a TdS, it is taking a lot of time for the fonctionaires in many Prefectures to sort this all out, they are not doing it for fun, they are doing it as a service to Brits (and of course continue to do the same for other nationalities outside the EU). This is a costly exercise and it’s taking many Fonctionaires away from other works that need to be done, you don’t do this without it being necessary.  Have no fear, especially for newcomers, just like pre 2003 one will have to apply for the TdS (CdS as it was then) and prove you are not going to be a burden on the state. So whether you apply now or later is your choice but the fact is, you will need one as a TCN, just like other non EU nationals  et voila.

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    Carte de Sejour is free fact who knows what the new card ( if any needed ) will cost.

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    But say if you’re working and haven’t applied for a cds/tds before 29th March and you can’t get an appointment for this new card if there ever will be one until, say the end of April? Will you be able to keep working?

     

    Jazzy there has to be a decent leeway of time. It is the firm that they work for that could easilybe penalised as well, as they would be breaking EU rules. I doubt any action would be made very quickly and a swift application for the TdS would settle the problem.

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    Carte de Sejour is free fact who knows what the new card ( if any needed ) will cost.

    Correct marion for all EU members it is free but once the UK have cut all ties, however long that takes, then be warned people, the cost then as it is now for non EU nationals is €269 and you will have to prove a nice income to be able to guarantee to the state you will not be a burden. I know what I would do if I required a TdS….

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    As Marie has pointed out, the TdS for European citizens that are being issued to UK expats won’t be valid after the Brexit date, so these cards will have to be exchanged for whatever the French government is planning on issuing in place of these cards. What has and is being said is that in practice it should make it easier and quicker for those already holding a TdS, that obviously remains to be seen, now if it’s a case that you will have to make another appointment at the prefecture to swap cards, so to speak, then people who are finding it difficult or costly to get to their prefecture at the moment, it makes sense to only do the trip once and apply for the new card after March 29th. Finger’s crossed the French will have the common sense to may be have a system where new cards can be posted to expats that have recently acquired a TdS/CdS rather than have to visit the prefecture again.

    I have lived and worked here for many a long year, France does not expect the UK to stay in the EU and with the quirkiness in the way France works, why wouldn’t the TdS still continue to be legal after the the UK leave? Yes the wording is as ” Ressortissant UE or membre de famille” but that can easily be left as one is/was a member and is carrying on living here, or they will offer at some stage a new card,  Either way it’s a win, win situation. It used to be sent to the Mairie I am not sure they would risk sending tens of thousands out in the post, so perhaps deliveries would be made to the Mairie’s? If anyone thinks the French will worry that people, if it happens of course,  might have to travel again to the prefecture to get a replacement, that is not going to be their problem, sorry but that would be the reality. I think they will stick to the TdS people have applied for and won’t be in any hurry to fabricate new cards, even leaving it until the card runs out?

    Yes that’s an opinion and neither tigre or myself are in reciept of facts in this matter ;-)

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    As I said previously, no ones really got a scooby as to what is really going on  which is why I am very loathe to give out advice other than repeat the governments advice to get a tds, or guess what the future scenario will be. It’s too important an issue to risk misleading people.

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    I wonder if the 300,000 French nationals living and working in the UK are worried what their future may hold. Or other EU nationals in the UK for that matter – it seems there are around 3.8 million of them in total. It’s a two-way street – if other EU countries want us out or makes life difficult for us, Britain must do the same. Simples…………!

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    Roger, of course the prefecture won’t worry about people possibly having to make a second trip to possibly sort out a new card. If you read Liz’s post again it states that the government are not basically making it obligatory for UK expats to get Visa’s or TdS cards. It also says that UK citizens would effectively become third country ( non EU) citizens, so surely that makes by law the TdS that you have now null and void? That’s why the French and German governments have now got this white paper document to sort out how to go about dealing with all this, which no doubt won’t be overnight!! The French have no intention of wanting to make UK citizens illegal after the Brexit date, so if you can prove you have been legally living in France for the last five years, whether it be by producing a TdS or the relevant paperwork then there shouldn’t be a problem, it may just take longer if you don’t have a TdS.

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    Being in possession of a TdS would negate any problems that will arise on the day the UK exits. No one knows if they will bother to ask those with a current TdS to exchange it for a new and reworded TdS and my belief is  the cost would not be worth it but it would be changed as and when it runs out of date. If they do decide to  tell people with a current TdS that it will need to be changed, well those in possession will be obviously be a large step ahead of those without one. I must have said a hundred times on Facebook that it will resolve itself without being stressed over it but be sensible and just apply and gain a TdS now as it makes complete sense to do so.

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    I wonder if the 300,000 French nationals living and working in the UK are worried what their future may hold. Or other EU nationals in the UK for that matter – it seems there are around 3.8 million of them in total. It’s a two-way street – if other EU countries want us out or makes life difficult for us, Britain must do the same. Simples…………!

     

    Not according to many of our Daughters friends that left France to get better job opportunities in the UK. It would be catastrophic if the young and not so young French workers were told to leave (an impossibility in reality) the UK, many are a mainstay in the company they work for and they do of course put a lot of resource and finance in to the giovenment finances, which the UK would certainly not like to lose.

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    Just to put the record straight

    I wrote

    Yes, there are plans spoken about in readiness for certain outcomes but whatever the outcome none of these plans will be implemented the next day, and anything can happen in our lives in the interim period.

    I didn’t say that it wasn’t a fact

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    Devoir as they call homework then.

    Just another bit of pedantry, Roger, but an important one: Devoir is Duty, devoirs is homework.

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    We applied because it was a recommendation by the British Embassy and the French Government.  Plus after Brexit there would be a fee of 269 Euros

    When we asked at the Prefecture would the TDS be for 5 years or less – she responded it was Permanent as we have been resident for over 5 years.
    The lady we had our Rendevous with stated it would make re-entering France uncomplicated with a TDS accompanying our passports.

    We took as Retirees with S1’s for a Titre de Sejour.

    Identification (passport) + copies
    Carte Vitale + S1 + Attestation de mutuelle
    3 photos
    Birth certificate
    Pacs / Marriage  and Death Certificates if necessary

    Document relating to your domicile (Tax Fonciere for the past 5 years  House purchase document or Rental Agreement

    Proof of residence for 5 continuous years (utilities bills)   EDF Saur or Telephone
    Proof of right to stay in France (Bulletins de pensions, avis d’impositions (Tax forms)

    Income confirmation

    Permanent Arrival date

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