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    Liz
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    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advice-for-british-nationals-travelling-and-
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    The UK and EU Commission have also agreed that:

    EU27 Member States may require UK nationals and their family members covered by the agreement to apply for a residency document or status conferring the right of residence.
    Administrative procedures for such applications will be transparent, smooth and streamlined.
    Where an application is required to obtain status, UK nationals will have until at least 6 months after the end of the Implementation Period to submit their applications.
    Residence documents will be issued free of charge or for a charge not exceeding that imposed on nationals for the issuing of similar documents (such as passports).
    UK nationals who, before the end of the Implementation Period, are holders of a valid permanent residence document or a valid domestic immigration document conferring a permanent right to reside, will be able to exchange that document for a new residence document free of charge. They may be required to provide proof of identity and undergo criminality and security checks.
    The introduction of administrative procedures, or changes to existing administrative procedures will be decided by each Member State. We will publish details on these administrative procedures as soon as possible.

     

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    You are quite right Jivedance. You will not be here illegally.

    However, whatever happens the bothersome mess of our new status will have to be sorted out by, in our case, French bureaucrats. Let’s try and help. If you are British this whole sorry farce is more your fault than it is the fault of someone working in the prefecture who is going to be given lots more work.

    It might also save you filling in lots more forms in the future as it’s been indicated that those with TdS will be waved through, hence the authorities desire to process as many of us in advance as they can.

    I wish everyone who voted for this nonsense had lots of forms to fill in and bureaucrats to visit. Sadly it’s people living/working/studying/wanting to study in a different european country and businesses who actually have a dog in the fight who will be saddled with all this extra palaver.

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    Thanks Seabadger and Liz for your last two postings. I followed the link Liz and read the information therein. I also totally agree with your sentiments Seabadger about the complete mess it all is.

    However the first thing I noticed is that in the first line on the excerpt that you posted Liz it says that EU27 Member States may require UK nationals to apply for residency documents. It does not say will require, may and will are completely different and that is why I am going to wait and see.

    Also this is also a serious question. When would I be likely to be asked to show a TDS? in the future? I have never been asked in the ten years that we have lived here to produce a TDS. Whenever I have needed proof of address I have just shown my French driving licence which has my address on it. I would also point out that I am retired and did not need one for work.

    I appreciate the helpful replies but I am still going to wait until it is sorted out one way or another. Then if we come out without a deal and a TDS is needed I will still have six months in which to apply apparently.

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    #422545

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    Hi Jivedance – It has been said that having TDS would simplify re-entry to France from UK if  a Visa was necessary later for people visiting on holiday.
    We decided to get our TDS now and that is a personal choice.

    You will have time to get a TDS afterwards again if required as is said on the UK gov website.

     

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    Thanks for the reply Liz. Interesting times ahead.

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    Indeed JD.  I wouldn’t stress about it just yet. :)

     

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    In many ways you are doing the right thing Jivedance. You are being stripped of your rights and you are not cooperating. It’s not perhaps the most practical approach, but I appreciate your stance.

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    At this moment in time no one is being stripped of their rights. This may be the case after March 29, 2019 but no one knows as yet. I will then hopefully know for a fact what I need to do to stay in France. Then I will co-operate fully with what ever is required of me to do to still live here. Until then, unless I am told officially otherwise, I will wait.

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    Fair enough. I shouldn’t have applied any motives to your actions/inactions.

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    “Whenever I have needed proof of address I have just shown my French driving licence which has my address on it”

    Does a French driving licence have the holder’s address on it?

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    Hello Fitter. Yes it certainly does. I use it a lot, especially when my address or id is needed. It saves me spelling it all out and then having possibly to repeat it. It also says that I am from the UK and where I was born in the UK. Importantly it has my domicile as here in France.

    Had to take all the paperwork to prove that I resided here etc.

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    I know this is causing people anxiety and perhaps some stress but it is my honest opinion that all will finally work out fine. Titre de Sejours (Carte as was on some older cards) were required pre 2003, so it is no big deal, the difference now of course are the sheer numbers this time, whereas before they were issued  in “dribs and drabs” as and when people moved to France. The health issue is too complicated to stop, imagine what would happen if the British in France all of a sudden had that stopped, you could either see a mass migration back to the UK, not going to happen, or the PUMA system would come into operation for us, not the end of the World, some may may not even qualify to pay through low incomes and then thirdly we have everything stays the same (my thoughts are with tthe latter).

    Pensions, well of course it would be illegal to stop those payments, whether or not increases will apply as and when, I don’t see that happening but….I don’t know what will be decided about how they are transferred but I really can’t see the system changes as it is now. Some people have it paid in to their UK bank and then transfer it by way of a currency exchange company which I cannot see changing. The money markets use this style of transfer, so it will always be needed in my opinion of course.

    Whatever happens the internet is there for all, anything like this (not as drastic of course) was a lot harder pre the internet. It is so much easier now we have forums and Facebook to help out.

    Don’t panic Mr M…….

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    “Whenever I have needed proof of address I have just shown my French driving licence which has my address on it” Does a French driving licence have the holder’s address on it?

    Mine does, three addresses back, told that’s fine :good:

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    Roger I thought you had to change or inform the relevant authority when you moved .JD if you are unfortunate enough to go into hospital for even a short stay   they won’t accept your driving license ,they did accept my passport which is obviously british ,but I doubt they would after Brexit,that was wanted along with my CV and Mutuelle.

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    marion, for my sins I have had penalties and points for speeding (naughty boy, not much over the limit but suffice for a penalty) I have given my licence over at controls and the police have not even blinked, I asked our local gendarme once and he gave the shrug along with the obligatory raspberry which I offered back and we said our au revoirs. All the fines have been sent to me, either of our car registrations gives them my adddress, they do have to be changed of course. So………

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    Marion obviously that is something that will have to be addressed once everything is decided.

    My wife unfortunately has been in hospital on and off for the past four/five years. The driving licence with our address on it and passport were sufficient for id. They also had our address because of the CV.  Now I accept that might change once we are out. However at the moment it has not.

    When everything is clearer then I will know which way to jump. Who knows that after Brexit all those with a TDS now may have to apply for a new one but no one knows for sure. It will probably be easier if you do have one already but I bet you will still have to take a rdv to get it if you do have to change it.

     

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    My plastic card  French Permis de Conduire does not have my address on it anywhere. Applied for it Sept 2017 – got it March/April this year.

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    I have to say that I’m with Roger and Jivedance on this one

    At the end of the day, in practical terms, what can they do – come round and march us out of our houses, throw us  in the channel and make us  swim!?

    Those  of us who have lived here a long time have so many means of identification that, as has been said, one extra one isn’t going to make that much difference. The real crunch of this is the importance of actually being registered in France – Impots, car on correct plates etc.

    If we do crash out, the world won’t come to an end – we may well have to get used to a different way of going about things, but that’s what life’s about anyway – moving in and out of comfort zones – keeps you young!!!!!

    Everybody knows now that there is actually no feasible solution to all this – It’s way, way more complex than anyone ever imagined. There’s not a lot any of us out here can do about it anyway, so, in my honest opinion, the best thing to do is to open another bottle of (good) red and let them all get on with it.

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    Hello again Fitter, we applied for our French licence over four years ago, It is a paper one with my picture on it and as I said my address. Obviously it has changed since we applied.

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    For those of you who do wish to obtain a TDS the following is simply meant to assist.

    I made an appointment last Thursday on the internet and got a cancellation for this morning in Vannes at 10h10. I went fully prepared and even duplicated my dossier and photos and put in shed loads of extra stuff. In my case the chap only referenced my passport, ‘livret de famille’ and ‘justificatif de l’adresse’ after which we passed some time chatting about business etc. He did say that at the moment he has loads of English speaking applicants. He said it can be difficult when some only speak about three words of French.

    Anyway, after twenty minutes I left with a temporary permit which says that my permanent residence certificate will be valid until august 2025 and that I am entitled to work professionally. This latter point is important. I will receive an sms within five weeks telling me that the permanent card is ready for collection.

    Five weeks may extend but the main thing is that it is done, it was not stressful at all, and I now have an extra layer of protection.

     

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    That’s very reassuring, whocares, if only those three things are necessary, as I’ve got all three. Problem for me is in Finistère one has to actually go to the préfecture in Quimper or the sous-préfecture in Brest to get the appointment, can’t be done online here.

    Anyway, after twenty minutes I left with a temporary permit which says that my permanent residence certificate will be valid until august 2025 and that I am entitled to work professionally. This latter point is important.

    Important for me as well. A bit odd that 2025 is neither 5 nor 10 years away.

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    That was what puzzled me, one year, five year, ten year and a permanent (didn’t know there was but have been toild there is?) T de S….Are you sure whocares it wasn’t a longer date, or indeed shorter?

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    Roger, whocares said “I left with a temporary permit which says that my permanent residence certificate will be valid until august 2025”, so it’s obviously marked on the temporary permit (another reassuring thing).

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    Sorry I have never heard of a temporary permit, what is this? And what is a permanent residence certificate?
    I honestly am wondering what they are?

     

    Is it another version, or indeed is it a titre de Sejour, or?

     

    Edit: https://www.expatica.com/fr/visas-and-permits/A-guide-to-French-citizenship-and-permanent-residence_107626.html

     

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    On closer examination it seems rather better than I had thought. The permit has no time limit and seems to state quite clearly that the right to reside and engage in all professional activities has been granted but the piece of paper is only valid when accompanied by my passport. It is that which expires in 2025 hence the mention of the previous expiration date. I admit I had wondered about the odd time period myself.

    Anyway, it remains to be seen what the expiration date will be on the permanent card that I receive in five weeks (or whenever it arrives). The temporary card clearly states that I have demanded the deliverance of a ‘titre de sejour permanent’ and that this temporary card has been given until 23/04/2019. I assume the permanent card will have no time limit after all the police searches etc. are carried out but am quite prepared for it to be similarly limited by my passport. Therefore in August 2025 I may well have to renew it if I have not taken French citizenship by then.

    Either way I am pleased with the card and happy to be just that little bit more French. Well worth the effort in my book and good luck to others that take the same path. Incidentally VK it is not a given that only those three things are necessary but they were in my case. This is possibly because although he only took detail from these three things he had whizzd through my dossier and seen French pension forecasts from Carsat, URSSAF  attestations etc. Just take all you can lay your hands on. Above all be appreciative, friendly and smile. ;-)

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    Whocares
    I am glad that you had an easy time at Vannes for us it took 3 visits.
    We had to pay 25€ for my husbands new card.

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    So in reality it is a Titre de Sejour, thank goodness I thought there were “Cartes” I hadn’t heard about. Thanks whocares it all makes sense now.

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    The French government website has quite a good section explaining the different types of cards.

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    To be completely honest it was knowing my husbands meaness ( he says careful) that prompted me to do the paperwork to renew our lapsed Cds ,lapsed in 2005 ish .For the moment being free apart from my time ,printer ink and paper.We are just 20 mins from Quimper so no hastle for us either.

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    The French government website has quite a good section explaining the different types of cards.

    Yes I know, tigre most forms of differing “cartes” don’t really apply to us simple Brits wanting to stay and live here in France

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